Lake Nona airport noise (to live, car, electric)

[Roger Lessman]

Interesting technology on the horizon for sure. Meanwhile I just read that the 737 MAX, which will hopefully resume deployment now that its technical woes are resolved, is supposed to be 40% quieter than current 737s. That sounds good to me!

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by Roger Lessman

Again?

Anyway, nobody is complaining. OP asked and I answered honestly.

OP: This is a typical response when LP airplane noise is brought up. People get really defensive about the noise, especially if they or their family are in the aviation industry.

Not you directly. But people who do complain..

[Roger Lessman]

Originally Posted by masssachoicetts

Not you directly. But people who do complain..

Understood. Thank you for clarifying!

[drive carephilly]

Originally Posted by Roger Lessman

I understand that. But given wind from the east or west (i.e. lacking any north component), they default to south flow. I've observed this, and they say as much themselves: https://www.orlandoairports.net/about-us/

An excerpt:

The GOAA noise abatement program brings together all stakeholders to reduce noise and educate the public regarding operations at its airports. MCO has a number of voluntary noise abatement procedures that have been in effect since the late 1970’s and early 1980’s, including:

• Preferential runway use favoring south flow operations
• Assigned headings on departures to the north
• Nighttime noise abatement headings
• Designated engine run-up areas

I rarely see sustained winds that are due east or west. Not for more than a few hours and usually not enough to reorganize operations twice over the course of an 8 hour day. Unless there's a big storm it's not where our weather comes from. Most sustained winds are N, NW, SW, SE, and less often NE.

My digging has lead me to believe this may be because certain communities to the north are more vocal and speak with one voice. In Laureate Park your own neighbors are as likely to shout you down as take your side.

Sure, but that's objectively false. Certain communities to the north endure the noise of two airports. Besides, most of the neighborhoods north of the airport runways predate commercial operations at McCoy. Outside of some rural settlement in the Narcoossee area, no one lived between the airport and East Lake until 15 years ago.

Meaning once they are climbing and are making their turn, they each follow a seemingly arbitrary path. Some planes will execute a tight turn right over Laureate Park, passing north, south, or directly over my home. Others will execute a more gradual turn well south of Laureate park. There may be a reason for this variation that I don't understand. I wonder if NextGen will standardize these departures. I shudder to think any such standard departure path will be right over my house.

arbitrary path? A flight to Denver is going to turn hard west eventually turning some 110 or 120 degrees towards the northwest. A flight to San Antonio, less so. A flight to Bogota will appear to go due south. A flight to Newark will turn hard east, executing a gradual 180. Why is it difficult to understand that planes are going to different places and so need to take a different flight path?

[BigInAuburn]

I was in Lake Nona / Laureate Park a few weekends ago and the planes were landing from the South. I really didn't notice them at all. Laureate Park seemed to be far enough away that the noise wasn't bad at all. You could hear them but it wasn't overly loud.

[Roger Lessman]

Originally Posted by drive carephilly

arbitrary path? A flight to Denver is going to turn hard west eventually turning some 110 or 120 degrees towards the northwest. A flight to San Antonio, less so. A flight to Bogota will appear to go due south. A flight to Newark will turn hard east, executing a gradual 180. Why is it difficult to understand that planes are going to different places and so need to take a different flight path?

I can't seem to rephrase in a way that will register with you, so I'm going to call it on this exchange. All the best.

[Roger Lessman]

Originally Posted by BigInAuburn

I was in Lake Nona / Laureate Park a few weekends ago and the planes were landing from the South. I really didn't notice them at all. Laureate Park seemed to be far enough away that the noise wasn't bad at all. You could hear them but it wasn't overly loud.

Right. If they were landing from the South you wouldn't hear anything. Nor would landing from the north be noisy. The noise in Laureate Park occurs when they take off to the south and then make their turns over the neighborhood.

[drive carephilly]

Originally Posted by Roger Lessman

I can't seem to rephrase in a way that will register with you, so I'm going to call it on this exchange. All the best.

I think the problem is your use of the word arbitrary. Flight paths aren't arbitrary. They're related to how hard the plane has to bank to get on a proper heading for its destination; other air traffic to include avoiding flight paths for smaller airports like ORL and ISM and larger ones like TPA and SFB; and the current and expected weather along their route.

The runways are aligned north/south. 95% of the US is north or west of Orlando. Most planes are going to be turning hard after takeoff.

[Stepfordct]

Originally Posted by hts

Planes (jet engines and props) will all be electric within a decade or so plus/minus (at least that's my prediction).

Absolutely not happening that soon.
Look at electric cars today. They probably have 30 to 50% of the range of a gas car with 30% more weight.

Weight in a car doesn't really effect performance in a small aerodynamic car however try to make it fly and yes it does....

Time to charge the batteries......very very long.
Jet's don't make money sitting on the ground.

Airlines have Jets bought and paid for/ and or leased.
Would I want to be the first to fly and electric motor jet....um no...

Redundancy. Fuel is reliable, batteries not so much.

Is battery tech evolving? Yes. Still not happening.....
Next, to get FAA approval for a new technology jet... Many year's out alone...

Love my electric car for what it is though.

[Roger Lessman]

Originally Posted by Stepfordct

Redundancy. Fuel is reliable, batteries not so much.

What do you mean by this? In what way are batteries less reliable?