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Good, i hope they do discourage them. Stereotyping brings all sorts of social ills and problems that are never good. That is one thing i think is best left towards the past. The last thing a child needs to enjoy is telling his wife she needs to get in the kitchen and raise his babies, or a women being deemed a **** simply because she enjoys sex.
I think they should be discouraging gender bias, but not to the point that children are discouraged from doing things that are considered stereotypical of their gender. Stereotyping is bad, but things considered stereotypical are not bad. If Lilly, during free play time at school, really loves playing in the kitchen area and enjoys cooking, she should not be ushered away from that to play in the sand box because her enjoyment of being in the kitchen is to stereotypical of what woman are. John shouldnt be taken away from the play construction site and made to play with the vacuum since wearing a hard hat might be stereotypically male.
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Originally Posted by stan4
You are missing the point. Not encouraging neutrality. But being neutral about WHAT THE KID CHOOSES.
Being neutral in opportunities offered to children.
Being neutral in how you treat them.
Not encouraging them not to have any personality or preferences or whatever. Not punishing them for choosing off the norm.
The issue I am trying to get across is that getting rid of the key words that make us different is encouraging children to think they are all the same. I feel the same way about uniforms in schools. I know they reduce bullying and feeling of inadequacy, but they also teach children they are all the same. Like in the military, they all dress the same because they are merely a smaller unit of a larger whole. Children are all individuals who deserve to be treated that way, which is currently addressed by not forcing conformation to traditional gender roles, while at the same time acknowledging and appreciating if they embrace the traditional gender roles.
Yes I do. It offers a better description of the lesson. It sounds like the kids were taught scientific facts about animals and humans. Do you have an issue with teaching kids facts? Hopefully the kids came away with the idea that they shouldn't bully Johnny for wanting to wear a purple shirt or an earring.
I think its a bit much to bring in a "Gender Trainer" to train elementary school kids to learn about these oddities in nature and train them to accept them as normal. Too much information at too early an age. No need to "train" kids. I like education to be age appropriate and actual education; not "training" like we do with animals. But, I do agree that kids shouldn't be allowed to bully anyone, including boys who wear purple shirts or earrings. They should be taught to treat others with respect even if they don't agree with or like them. But they should never be "trained" to like someone. Their individual values shouldn't be "trained." Children aren't animals. They are individual human beings. That should be respected. That's my opinion. Yours may be different.
I think they should be discouraging gender bias, but not to the point that children are discouraged from doing things that are considered stereotypical of their gender. Stereotyping is bad, but things considered stereotypical are not bad. If Lilly, during free play time at school, really loves playing in the kitchen area and enjoys cooking, she should not be ushered away from that to play in the sand box because her enjoyment of being in the kitchen is to stereotypical of what woman are. John shouldnt be taken away from the play construction site and made to play with the vacuum since wearing a hard hat might be stereotypically male.
No there is nothing wrong with her liking that. My issue is with the stereotype itself. I don't like the fact that you should assume home cooking is for girls, or that fixing a car is for boys.
I think its a bit much to bring in a "Gender Trainer" to train elementary school kids to learn about these oddities in nature and train them to accept them as normal. Too much information at too early an age. No need to "train" kids. I like education to be age appropriate and actual education; not "training" like we do with animals. But, I do agree that kids shouldn't be allowed to bully anyone, including boys who wear purple shirts or earrings. They should be taught to treat others with respect even if they don't agree with or like them. But they should never be "trained" to like someone. Their individual values shouldn't be "trained." Children aren't animals. They are individual human beings. That should be respected. That's my opinion. Yours may be different.
I think its a bit much to bring in a "Gender Trainer" to train elementary school kids to learn about these oddities in nature and train them to accept them as normal. Too much information at too early an age. No need to "train" kids. I like education to be age appropriate and actual education; not "training" like we do with animals. But, I do agree that kids shouldn't be allowed to bully anyone, including boys who wear purple shirts or earrings. They should be taught to treat others with respect even if they don't agree with or like them. But they should never be "trained" to like someone. Their individual values shouldn't be "trained." Children aren't animals. They are individual human beings. That should be respected. That's my opinion. Yours may be different.
Well, kids are taught certain values in school. I paraphrased these from a local school. Be Friendly, Be Respectful, Be Involved, Be Dependable. These would apply to everyone regardless of how they dress, how they play, etc. Teaching kids about differences among the human population isn't "training" them to do anything. Teaching basic values like being respectful is the norm at schools. Aside from your opinion that it isn't age appropriate, I'm not sure what part of it you have a problem with.
The only things that are impossible are limits you believe you can't overcome.
That's very empowering and all, but I disagree. I say it's impossible to live without influence and to make it so that your choices are 100% your own, whether you think you can achieve this or not.
That's very empowering and all, but I disagree. I say it's impossible to live without influence and to make it so that your choices are 100% your own, whether you think you can achieve this or not.
You can however limit the influences as much as needed even if that is true.
You can however limit the influences as much as needed even if that is true.
Yeah, keyphrase ^
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