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Old 05-12-2017, 08:36 AM
 
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I guess then only well off people should be having children? Forced sterilization if you don't meet an income requirement?
No forced sterilization, but don't expect anyone else to take care of or provide for those kids.

But in this day and age, where the people that are well off and have done the things needed to become well off are forced to provide for those who don't want to do anything for themselves, but make babies, then I believe forced sterilization is worthy of consideration.

People have been gaming the system for too long.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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So that means you think we should privatize the schools, privatize the roads, privatize Medicare and everything else?

What's so difficult to understand with having highly subsidized or no out of pocket expenses for quality daycare? Why does it have to be government run? I dont get it. Sure, you seem to be against the post office, but are you against Medicare and public roads?
Because highly government subsidized and quality is an oxymoron.
Private schools provide a better quality of education than public schools, private insurance is better than medicare, Fed ex and UPS are better than USPS. I dont think you can compare roads, maybe I have no experience with the quality of toll roads.

If an entity is funded or subsidized thru state or federal funds there are government regulations. Basically the government controls the entity.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:43 AM
 
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I know of a couple situations where the parent was a stay at home parent and the children are extremely antisocial. My kids are very out going, independent and strong willed. I contribute that to always having them in public, private preschools and surrounding them with people and children. I also made sure my children spoke back when someone addressed them in public. We have the rule that we talk to everyone, but we go with no one.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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High quality "daycare" (i.e. early years education) prepares children so that they can make the most of their years in school by teaching them to enjoy learning and have an enthusiasm for it, and to respect their teachers and not disrupt lessons - a lot of learning is lost when lessons are disrupted by children that don't want to learn or don't have respect for their teacher or their classmates.
All things that can be easily taught at home through day to day modeling. Not all kids need daycare to learn these basics which boil down to respect, manners and curiosity.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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If your only making 7/hr. you shouldn't be starting a family.
Someone who is making $7 per hour might just be a daycare worker. They don't make much, yet people complain that daycare is way too expensive and that we must have the government cover the cost for everyone and not only that, it must be high quality care. How much do people think that will cost? People can't expect top notch workers to care for their children for so little.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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I know of a couple situations where the parent was a stay at home parent and the children are extremely antisocial. My kids are very out going, independent and strong willed. I contribute that to always having them in public, private preschools and surrounding them with people and children. I also made sure my children spoke back when someone addressed them in public. We have the rule that we talk to everyone, but we go with no one.
I can tell you about just as many antisocial and poorly behaved kids who were in daycare. What is your point?
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:02 AM
 
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I know of a couple situations where the parent was a stay at home parent and the children are extremely antisocial. My kids are very out going, independent and strong willed. I contribute that to always having them in public, private preschools and surrounding them with people and children. I also made sure my children spoke back when someone addressed them in public. We have the rule that we talk to everyone, but we go with no one.
I am a stay-at-home parent--not only that, but one who homeschooled for some years--and I have one child who is very outgoing and social, one who is very introverted and shy, and one who is somewhere in between.

My introverted child is exactly the way I was a child, and I was the only one of my siblings who actually did go to preschool. If preschool and public school were all it takes to make children outgoing, then I should be the most social person out there. As a matter of fact, being surrounded all day by other kids in school was a misery to me.

You are making the classic mistake of taking parental credit for your children's innate personalities.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:09 AM
 
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I guess then only well off people should be having children? Forced sterilization if you don't meet an income requirement?
No forced sterilization. Just a person having a damned brain and rudimentary common sense and basic awareness of reality. If you are making $10/hr, it is ludicrous to consider bringing new life into the world that you can't afford to support. In fact, doing so is child abuse because you can't possibly give the child what he or she needs to thrive. Because love is NOT enough. You need money, and the ability to have a parent at home to raise the child. If you can't make that happen, you are unqualified to undertake the task of bringing new life into the world.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:21 AM
 
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Because highly government subsidized and quality is an oxymoron.
Private schools provide a better quality of education than public schools, private insurance is better than medicare, Fed ex and UPS are better than USPS. I dont think you can compare roads, maybe I have no experience with the quality of toll roads.

If an entity is funded or subsidized thru state or federal funds there are government regulations. Basically the government controls the entity.
None of that is true.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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No forced sterilization. Just a person having a damned brain and rudimentary common sense and basic awareness of reality. If you are making $10/hr, it is ludicrous to consider bringing new life into the world that you can't afford to support. In fact, doing so is child abuse because you can't possibly give the child what he or she needs to thrive. Because love is NOT enough. You need money, and the ability to have a parent at home to raise the child. If you can't make that happen, you are unqualified to undertake the task of bringing new life into the world.
Ok, that is your value system, but not everyone agrees. So say you are king for the day...how do you make this happen?
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