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Coschristi has a child with autism and it sounds like she saw him regress post vaccination. I know that doesn’t mean anything to people who believe that parents don’t know their own children but I believe she has some personal experience with this.
Coschristi has a child with autism and it sounds like she saw him regress post vaccination. I know that doesn’t mean anything to people who believe that parents don’t know their own children but I believe she has some personal experience with this.
There's a reason people go to school for 20+ years to become scientists. It's difficult to distinguish signal from noise. To quote Richard Feynman on science
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The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool.
I know we are socially conditioned to give preference to what someone feels over some study done by someone well removed from the situation. That's not how science works, though. Feelings and intuition are a lousy way to set public policy. The harsh truth is that people are really good at convincing themselves things that are totally and utterly wrong.
There's a reason people go to school for 20+ years to become scientists. It's difficult to distinguish signal from noise. To quote Richard Feynman on science
I know we are socially conditioned to give preference to what someone feels over some study done by someone well removed from the situation. That's not how science works, though. Feelings and intuition are a lousy way to set public policy. The harsh truth is that people are really good at convincing themselves things that are totally and utterly wrong.
Well Jay, there’s an awful lot to be said for the connection between a mother and child. Moms know their babies intimately and intuitively and tend to notice major and even minor changes.
Coschristi has a child with autism and it sounds like she saw him regress post vaccination. I know that doesn’t mean anything to people who believe that parents don’t know their own children but I believe she has some personal experience with this.
I was asking about Coschristi's "theory" about autism, a scientific, not parenting, issue.
Well Jay, there’s an awful lot to be said for the connection between a mother and child. Moms know their babies intimately and intuitively and tend to notice major and even minor changes.
Yes. They tend to notice minor changes and assign way to much importance to them. People are great at seeing patterns and assigning reasons for them. Too good, in fact, as they make a lot of conclusions that are just flat out wrong. That's why science has to be done systematically.
Mothers have been raising children for thousands of generations and only when science got involved did the mortality rate drop off a cliff.
Yes. They tend to notice minor changes and assign way to much importance to them. People are great at seeing patterns and assigning reasons for them. Too good, in fact, as they make a lot of conclusions that are just flat out wrong. That's why science has to be done systematically.
Mothers have been raising children for thousands of generations and only when science got involved did the mortality rate drop off a cliff.
Friendly advice - don't use your own reasoning to determine health needs, consult with a professional
Yes. Never listen to your own instincts. Ever. That goes for reasoning as well. Do not reason; you are not smart enough to reason.
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Vaccines are the greatest public health achievement in this world. Tens of thousands of people are alive today who would be dead if it were not for vaccination.
It’s the Nicene Creed of Vaccines.
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Causes Autism? That's been disproved 100 times already and the guy that wrote that study lost his medical license for writing it. What else ya' got?
Yeah, refer to the above quoted: Nobody suspected that vaccines caused autism until a professional said so, at which point he was declared as not a professional.
Breaking News: Wakefield was a school boy when this study was published in 1976, regarding the Rubella vaccine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1036494
“However, 5 of 13 autistic children had undetectable titers despite previous vaccine; all control subjects had detectable titers. This finding of undetectable titers in autistic children suggests these children may have an altered immune response.”
And this one, for evidence of general immune-mediation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6182806
“The results indicate the existence of a cell-mediated immune response to brain tissue in the syndrome of autism”
But in 1998, Wakefield published a study that was discredited so THATS how the association started. Never mind that aspect was being studied in the freaking 1970’s.
Apparently, we need to first consult with the wrong professional before coming up with our own “wrong” conspiracy theory.
Yes. Never listen to your own instincts. Ever. That goes for reasoning as well. Do not reason; you are not smart enough to reason.
It’s the Nicene Creed of Vaccines.
Yeah, refer to the above quoted: Nobody suspected that vaccines caused autism until a professional said so, at which point he was declared as not a professional.
Breaking News: Wakefield was a school boy when this study was published in 1976, regarding the Rubella vaccine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1036494
“However, 5 of 13 autistic children had undetectable titers despite previous vaccine; all control subjects had detectable titers. This finding of undetectable titers in autistic children suggests these children may have an altered immune response.”
And this one, for evidence of general immune-mediation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6182806
“The results indicate the existence of a cell-mediated immune response to brain tissue in the syndrome of autism”
But in 1998, Wakefield published a study that was discredited so THATS how the association started. Never mind that aspect was being studied in the freaking 1970’s.
Apparently, we need to first consult with the wrong professional before coming up with our own “wrong” conspiracy theory.
Look, Wakefield was/is a fraud. He lost his medical license. That is something that is not done lightly. Just look at Bill Sears; he still has one.
Regarding your rubella link, you are being extremely disingenuous in trying to tell us that rubella vaccine causes autism. In point of fact, rubella disease during pregnancy is an known cause of autism. However, for those too lazy to look at the link coschrisiti is trying to use as evidence of her hypothesis, take a look at this: "The etiology of autism is unknown, but autism has been associated with a number of diseases, including prenatal rubella. Rubella vaccine challenge was used in an attempt to retrospectively diagnose prenatal rubella in autistic children. This test was selected because unresponsiveness of antibody titer has been reported as helpful in retrospective diagnosing of prenatal rubella."
They were trying to see if the kids had prenatal rubella. And the research merely "suggested" an altered immune response. If you're familiar with scientific language, you know that's not the same as saying the kids definitely had an altered immune response.
Mind you this was in 1976, and the cause of autism is still unknown these 42 years later.
The other link is from 1982, a mere 36 years ago. It has nothing to do with vaccines.
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