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WHAT?!?!?!?!?!
thats offensive! where is your brain?
pure as in we disinfect, clean and go over the top with vaccines. holy cow! you just gross me out! whats the matter with you that you would think that. let me just clarify that is not the meaning of my comment and honestly if you thought it was you are a very sad person. I'll change the word for you so you aren't confused. comments like that make me sick! GROSS!.
Can we say rude and an over-reaction? Wow. I find you offensive in this response. Sorry, but true!
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Originally Posted by maciesmom
You are the one who said we are called that - I just said I hadn't heard it. When people use the phrase "pure" and "nation" together....it sounds that way to me. I personally find that icky too, which is why I thought it sounded odd for what you were indicating was a common phrase.....I have heard opinions that we are more germ-phobic than other places...I just have never heard it expressed as "pure".....geez.
I have to say I'm with maciesmom on this one. Anytime someone says "pure nation" it's usually in regards to race. Just because that's what first came to mind when kelly3120 posted it doesn't mean that either of us are sick and gross. I've never heard that term used regarding health and vaccines, either, so it does sound odd. I did a google search to try to learn about it, but absolutely nothing showed up. Hmmm
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!
thats offensive! where is your brain?
pure as in we disinfect, clean and go over the top with vaccines. holy cow! you just gross me out! whats the matter with you that you would think that. let me just clarify that is not the meaning of my comment and honestly if you thought it was you are a very sad person. I'll change the word for you so you aren't confused. comments like that make me sick! GROSS!
Calm down! I also heard that and thought the same thing as maciesmom. I have never heard it used before and thought it sounded weird, too. Your explanation makes perfect sense and I get it now but please ... get a grip!
I am not anti-vaccine but I take issue with the notion that only kids who are vaccinated according to schedule should be permitted to attend public schools. Exemptions should be allowed in all 50 states regardless of the reasoning.
When looking at vaccine preventable disease, it does not always make the most sense to vaccinate school aged children, especially since the majority of vaccines' effectiveness wanes over time leaving us with an adult population that is not immune. IMO, it makes much more sense to look at each individual VPD and each individual vaccine and decide from there which groups of people are most vulnerable and come up with ways to vaccinate those groups as well as the people who they come into close contact with.
Parents should have a choice when it comes to injecting things into their children's bodies. I find it unfathomable that people are willing to give up that right in the name of "herd immunity". If we want to create and maintain a "herd immunity", why don't we do more to get adults vaccinated? Why are we only focusing on children?
Gosh, some of the posts crack me up. Using religious exemptions is immoral? Oh please. I could care less if that means not having to put poison into my son's body.
Even if I wasn't a Christian, I would use it anyway. Not subjecting my child to unneccessary toxins - that's my religion then.
you must not have the guilty conscience that I have.
Parents should have a choice when it comes to injecting things into their children's bodies. I find it unfathomable that people are willing to give up that right in the name of "herd immunity". If we want to create and maintain a "herd immunity", why don't we do more to get adults vaccinated? Why are we only focusing on children?
I totally agree with you about it being a parent's right to choose. It should be their right to vaccinate or not. But since parents don't get to choose if an unvaccinated child brings disease to school and infects their child, I think it's prudent that they not expose them in the first place. It's the consequence that a parent should consider when making the choice to immunize or not.
Herd immunity is going to decrease and then disappear entirely as more unvaccinated children enter school. Once that happens we will see epidemics rise once again. Once that happens I guarantee that a lot of parents will change their minds about vaccination. Unfortunately, once we reach that point there will be a lot of collateral damage. We will see many children suffer and die or experience lifelong disabilities as a result. It's easy to ignore the risks of not vaccinating now, because they are low, but give it another decade or two of the anti-vaccination movement sending kids to public school and those risks will grow exponentially.
Children need vaccinations more than adults for a few reasons. Firstly, children do not have the good hygiene habits that adults do. They are not fastidious about keeping their bodies clean. Adults are far more conscientious about hand washing, not putting fingers in their mouths, etc. They don't typically spend their days in an environment where they are sharing things with other adults nearly as much as kids do. Secondly, since they spend a large amount of time each day in a school setting with other children sharing toys, school supplies, toilets, playground equipment, etc. they literally create a germ factory with everything they touch. Lastly, they have more immature immune systems, and can become far more sick when they are small. The risk for life-changing effects of disease are greater with them.
It's a tough call and I see both sides. If I had to do it all over again with my own child though I would still get her immunizations. To me the risks of going without are just far too great, plus I actually do see it as a social obligation to my community. I do not begrudge a parent's choice to forego the vaccinations but I do believe they are creating a dangerous situation for our future.
Gosh, some of the posts crack me up. Using religious exemptions is immoral? Oh please. I could care less if that means not having to put poison into my son's body.
Even if I wasn't a Christian, I would use it anyway. Not subjecting my child to unneccessary toxins - that's my religion then.
This is more of Jewish and Muslim religious belief than a Christian religious belief. The Catholic Church's stand on the rubella vaccine is because of stem cells and no other vaccination has been deemed unworthy by the Vatican, but the Vatican has permitted Catholics to get the vaccination until there is a better alternative available. A couple of other random churches have taken a stand against papillomavirus because they are concerned that it sends a message that there is such a thing as safe sex. Otherwise, I am not aware of any Christian denomination that opposes ALL vaccinations, except Christian Scientists and Jehovah Witnesses, but many would argue that they are not truly Christian denominations.
You are the one who said we are called that - I just said I hadn't heard it. When people use the phrase "pure" and "nation" together....it sounds that way to me. I personally find that icky too, which is why I thought it sounded odd for what you were indicating was a common phrase.....I have heard opinions that we are more germ-phobic than other places...I just have never heard it expressed as "pure".....geez.
ok. I apologize for overreacting. I have never in my life even been associated with that "phrase" and it just made me sick.
Thanks for clarifying.
i apologize to you also firefighter ..if you googled it you must be onto something.
I'm out. this subject is too touchy and we could argue it over and over. I'm still stick'n to my guns, babies bodies need time before we vaccinate them. just my belief.
Last edited by kelly3120; 12-03-2009 at 04:56 AM..
Heck yes I'm vaccinating against measles. Complications aren't uncommon enough for me to risk it. Going blind? No thanks.
I don't care much one way or the other about the chicken pox vaccine, because complications are rare in children. Adults are the ones who should worry. I got chicken pox in high school and was pretty sick, much sicker than my younger sister, who gave it to me. My grandmother didn't get it until her late 20s and spent several days feverish and exhausted from vomiting all day long.
The flu vaccine, I can see both sides. It's another one I'm ambivalent about. I appreciate the vaccine not so much because of what it does for children, but what it does for the elderly, who are at tremendous risk.
You have completely missed the point, but that's okay.
This is more of Jewish and Muslim religious belief than a Christian religious belief. The Catholic Church's stand on the rubella vaccine is because of stem cells and no other vaccination has been deemed unworthy by the Vatican, but the Vatican has permitted Catholics to get the vaccination until there is a better alternative available. A couple of other random churches have taken a stand against papillomavirus because they are concerned that it sends a message that there is such a thing as safe sex. Otherwise, I am not aware of any Christian denomination that opposes ALL vaccinations, except Christian Scientists and Jehovah Witnesses, but many would argue that they are not truly Christian denominations.
I fail to see how Catholic Church or the Vatican has anything to do with my Christian Church. Majority of people in my church feel that their body is a temple not to be exposed to poisons in vaccines or any other poisons for that matter (hence no smoking etc...). It has nothing to do with any doctrines or opposition from denominations, it's personal choice.
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