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Old 05-20-2022, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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I think this article provides a sober assessment that Mastriano's nomination resembles Trump's in 2016, and too many people are underestimating his chances of winning. The Republican base is going to be extremely motivated with him as the nominee, and Democrats could be in for a rude awakening in November.

Did Democrats Make a Mistake by Hyping a Trumpy Insurrectionist in Pennsylvania?

"The biggest flaw in the Shapiro campaign’s thinking, by far, is its failure acknowledge that mainstream Republican voters actually want someone who backs Trump to the hilt in the way that Mastriano has. The primary has shown that showcasing his extremist views has already helped generate enthusiasm for his candidacy. If self-styled moderates and Never Trump conservatives flock to Shapiro, this will likely further boost Mastriano’s anti-establishment credentials."
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Old 05-20-2022, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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I think this article provides a sober assessment that Mastriano's nomination resembles Trump's in 2016, and too many people are underestimating his chances of winning. The Republican base is going to be extremely motivated with him as the nominee, and Democrats could be in for a rude awakening in November.
I don't think anyone underestimates the right-wing fascism in the US any longer after Trump was elected.

The Republican base is very much a threat to the stability and future of democracy in this country. That should be more than obvious to any remotely reasonable person by now.

Now hear me out; I'm definitely not in a "dyed in the wool Democat." I'm a registered Independent. And the Dems are certainly not without flaw or misguidance.

But cries about the "far Left" and what they're capable of pale in comparison to the much stronger and honestly dangerous militia-like cultists of the right-wing in this country right now. If you don't believe it, look no further than the Buffalo mass shooting last weekend and Tucker Carlson-promoted "Replacement Theory." If that doesn't scare the shi*t out of the majority of America right now, I don't know what will.

The far Left is silly but harmless; the far Right would put this country firmly in a militaristic theocracy if empowered.

That's the honest truth.
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Old 05-20-2022, 12:12 PM
 
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The far Left is silly but harmless; the far Right would put this country firmly in a militaristic theocracy if empowered.

That's the honest truth.
It's really alarming. I don't know what it would take at this point to raise people's concern about something so basic as a state legislature stepping in to invalidate a popular vote simply with accusations, but no proof, of election fraud. I mean how basic can an issue be?

But I think we're so far beyond that now. The only hope, if there is any hope, is for younger people to engage as voters in much larger numbers. They may not be seeing the change they want with the speed they want it, they may not see candidates that "inspire" them, they may see candidates take positions in some cases that they really don't agree with even if the other side is infinitely worse, but...

It's more their future than mine that is hanging in the balance. I'm pretty old. I won't see the worst impacts of climate inaction. I am past child bearing, I was able to get an abortion when I needed one. I have my retirement safety nets, Medicare, Social Security, a good union pension. I have vehemently disagreed with Republicans on a host of issues, but never thought they'd try to prevent the transfer of power, especially outside the normal way of legal challenges in court.

It's a different world now. Maybe hearts and minds can be changed in the long run, but in the next decade at minimum this can only be stopped by dedicated turn out in elections. Otherwise, people will get what they didn't vote for. I will do my best in my small way to support the interests of younger generations, but I sure as hell can't do it for them.
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Old 05-20-2022, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I don't think anyone underestimates the right-wing fascism in the US any longer after Trump was elected.
Good God. Trump was elected by a bunch of unemployed coal miners and steel workers. Then Biden was elected by a bunch of recent college graduates worried that they can't get jobs to pay off their student loans.

If you think people are "radicalized" by losing their jobs and by going into permanent, lifelong debt at the age of 18 then we should be working to bring back jobs to America instead of calling each other names.
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Old 05-20-2022, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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Originally Posted by Duderino View Post
I don't think anyone underestimates the right-wing fascism in the US any longer after Trump was elected.

The Republican base is very much a threat to the stability and future of democracy in this country. That should be more than obvious to any remotely reasonable person by now.

Now hear me out; I'm definitely not in a "dyed in the wool Democat." I'm a registered Independent. And the Dems are certainly not without flaw or misguidance.

But cries about the "far Left" and what they're capable of pale in comparison to the much stronger and honestly dangerous militia-like cultists of the right-wing in this country right now. If you don't believe it, look no further than the Buffalo mass shooting last weekend and Tucker Carlson-promoted "Replacement Theory." If that doesn't scare the shi*t out of the majority of America right now, I don't know what will.

The far Left is silly but harmless; the far Right would put this country firmly in a militaristic theocracy if empowered.

That's the honest truth.
Ultimately where Pennsylvania (and the nation) go from here is up to the electorate's perception of current events and how they are being handled by the two major parties and their candidates.

Events of the last several years have suggested that concepts such as "democracy" and "peaceful transition of power" are not a primary focus for many voters. If they perceive (sometimes as a result of propaganda) that having an "extremist" in power means a smaller bill at the gas pump or grocery store, safer neighborhoods and an emphasis on learning the fundamentals at their schools, often people will support the "extremist" candidate. Almost 49% in Pennsylvania voted to give the last White House administration a second term, and it's easy to expect that Mastriano will win the overwhelming support of such voters, even if he repels others.

I personally will not support #MAGA type candidates under any circumstances, but I'm not under any illusions that a large part of the country sees any problem with their holding power - or seizing it if the official numbers aren't in their favor. Mastriano's landslide win in the primary suggests there is a large audience for such tactics, and in a state that is hardly as conservative as a couple dozen others across the country.
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Old 05-21-2022, 06:29 AM
 
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I think this article provides a sober assessment that Mastriano's nomination resembles Trump's in 2016, and too many people are underestimating his chances of winning. The Republican base is going to be extremely motivated with him as the nominee, and Democrats could be in for a rude awakening in November.

Did Democrats Make a Mistake by Hyping a Trumpy Insurrectionist in Pennsylvania?

"The biggest flaw in the Shapiro campaign’s thinking, by far, is its failure acknowledge that mainstream Republican voters actually want someone who backs Trump to the hilt in the way that Mastriano has. The primary has shown that showcasing his extremist views has already helped generate enthusiasm for his candidacy. If self-styled moderates and Never Trump conservatives flock to Shapiro, this will likely further boost Mastriano’s anti-establishment credentials."
Something that should hype our base up too is remembering how god awful Dictator Wolf handled the pandemic.

I’m VERY fired up to smear wussy man Shapiro and vote for Doug
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Old 05-21-2022, 08:07 AM
 
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Something that should hype our base up too is remembering how god awful Dictator Wolf handled the pandemic.

I’m VERY fired up to smear wussy man Shapiro and vote for Doug



LOL, you are literally going to vote for a wannabe dictator in November.


The GOP gov candidate openly declared it. That's cute though that you call Wolf one.


Bless your heart kid.
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Old 05-21-2022, 10:17 PM
 
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LOL, you are literally going to vote for a wannabe dictator in November.


The GOP gov candidate openly declared it. That's cute though that you call Wolf one.


Bless your heart kid.
Enjoy your L in November kid. PA red wave.
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Old 05-22-2022, 08:21 AM
 
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Enjoy your L in November kid. PA red wave.



LOL, you are still literally going to vote for a wannabe dictator in November.


The GOP gov candidate openly declared it. If you're having a red wave, there are women's hygiene products that can help you.
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Old 05-22-2022, 09:28 AM
 
Location: In Transition
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Enjoy your L in November kid. PA red wave.
You think? Middle of the road candidates will likely win. Extremists like Mastriano won’t get elected.

Plus I have yet to see the GOP plan for handling supply shortages, inflation, ongoing pandemic and the Ukraine conflict.

Methinks any GOP victories in the house will be short lived. Voted out in two years because they are running on grievance with no plan to tackle important issues.
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