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Just read this article and I"m kinda unsure how I feel about it.
On one hand, I think its really nice of them to forgive this debt since this person obviously cannot hold job.
But on the other hand, that's a LOT of education to complete, for free and which will be essentially wasted. And due to the person's age when they started (60s) surely they should have known by then that they had issues in working. I mean the paper might get you in the door but its the aptitude and ability that will keep you there.
For people with Aspergers, if they have the capability to finish school, then they have the capability to work.. I don't see Aspergers as an excuse to discharge loans if the person is able to graduate fine.
For people with Aspergers, if they have the capability to finish school, then they have the capability to work.. I don't see Aspergers as an excuse to discharge loans if the person is able to graduate fine.
Completing some classes is different compared to holding a job. One is something that you pay to participate in, the other is something that someone else pays you to participate in.
Completing some classes is different compared to holding a job. One is something that you pay to participate in, the other is something that someone else pays you to participate in.
I dont understand your point. So, because someone is paying you you can't do it?
You're the MD, so I'll defer to your expertise here, but I don't think aspergers makes you stupid. She must have realized, at some point, that those degrees were not going to help her, yet she continued to pursue multiple degrees? I wouldn't have discharged the debt.
I've never heard of Asperger syndrome before, but it's apparently a childhood disease, rather than something that manifested itself due to old age. I could see if someone is of sound body and mind, started and completed school, then got something like alzheimer's, which is preventing them from holding a job. Then I can see justifying discharging student loan debts, but since this was obviously a preexisting condition, it's not fair to allow this person to take out massive amounts of debt and just walk away from it. They knew they would never be able to hold a job, they should be held accountable for there actions.
If enough people are allowed to get away with this, the end result will be less student loan money available. Also making it tougher to apply. Even smoked? Yes, well you could get cancer and die, we'll never get out money back, sorry loan DENIED, next.
E. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood.
Its worth noting that it also says:
C. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
So its quite possible the woman could not, as she claimed, hold down a job. However, I dont think that excuses her from obtaining all those loans as she was no doubt perfectly capable of understanding the implications of accepting those loans.
I appreciate her will and drive to succeed on her own and become independent. I don't appreciate her lack of foresight into whether or not she could hold a job regardless of what degree she has. I mean COME ON! Two masters, a bachelors, and an associates degree? Its quite obvious she was going to school because she enjoyed it and/or it calmed her. How many jobs require two masters?
I only can see two possible scenarios. 1) She went to school and obtained her associates, applied for jobs and failed. Decided to get bachlors and applied for jobs and failed. Then went for multiples masters hoping it would give her the skill set to hold a job but it failed. OR 2) She went to school continuously without any thought about what jobs were available or how she would perform with her diagnosed social disorder. BOTH are reckless. She should have been extra careful than most people.
Completing some classes is different compared to holding a job. One is something that you pay to participate in, the other is something that someone else pays you to participate in.
As someone with Aspergers, I'm still not buying it.
In college, many fellow students I knew also had it (to varying degrees.. this was an Engineering program after all).. they still did fine after graduation. Maybe they were a little disadvantaged compared to a normal person with the exact same qualifications but it wasn't so much of a disadvantage that could qualify as a disability.
I don't know of anybody with Aspergers who has gotten multiple degrees and/or advanced degrees in employable or technical subjects (i.e. Science, Engineering, Math, Business, Finance, etc.) and has lived in poverty for the rest of their lives, never being able to start a career due to the disorder. Anyone who has the aptitude to get those degrees but claims their disorder is holding their employment back is only looking for a big fat excuse.
As someone with Aspergers, I'm still not buying it.
In college, many fellow students I knew also had it (to varying degrees.. this was an Engineering program after all).. they still did fine after graduation. Maybe they were a little disadvantaged compared to a normal person with the exact same qualifications but it wasn't so much of a disadvantage that could qualify as a disability.
I don't know of anybody with Aspergers who has gotten multiple degrees and/or advanced degrees in employable or technical subjects (i.e. Science, Engineering, Math, Business, Finance, etc.) and has lived in poverty for the rest of their lives, never being able to start a career due to the disorder. Anyone who has the aptitude to get those degrees but claims their disorder is holding their employment back is only looking for a big fat excuse.
I'm not saying it's the norm, but what I'm saying is that it is very possible that someone with aspergers can gain degrees because a lot of learning is self directed while being unable to hold a job because many times a job's central focus is working with others.
You have a point, but I tend to give people the benefit of doubt. This lady could have really tried to succeed but still failed. Sad.
I dont understand your point. So, because someone is paying you you can't do it?
You're the MD, so I'll defer to your expertise here, but I don't think aspergers makes you stupid. She must have realized, at some point, that those degrees were not going to help her, yet she continued to pursue multiple degrees? I wouldn't have discharged the debt.
I didn't say it made you stupid. Read my post above.
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