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Old 03-07-2015, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Good luck. According to Robert Shiller the real CAGR of US home prices over the past 120 years has been less than 1%.
It doesn't matter if a home loses 100% of its value. At the end of the day, a home is a tangible asset that you can still live in. Stock, bond, and the 401k are intangible asset that if they lose 100% of their values; what do you have left in your hands???????
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Old 03-08-2015, 01:02 AM
 
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on the other hand real estate is a local issue and an individual property issue and yes many have lost quite a bit of money.

all those foreclosed on who were under water saw their money they put in go to zero.

you are just reasoining with 1/2 a view.
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Old 03-08-2015, 03:41 AM
 
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Age: late 20's, Married, no kids yet
Roth 401K: $50K
Pension: $10K
Cash: $20K
House: $900K
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Total: $980K

Debt:
House Mortgage: $640K
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Total: $340K

We bought a multi-family home as a investment and to avoid having all our future earning going to paying off the mortgage (renting a section of the house to cover the mortgage). Sucks being cash poor for the moment, looking to save money in the near future for investment opportunity and build a decent reserve (for when you have a unexpected cost).

My biggest concern is making a mistake given my age and lack of experience.
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Old 03-08-2015, 03:59 AM
 
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the multi-family home will always cost you the rent you are giving up by consuming an apartment yourself.

no matter what we do we always need a place to live and it will cost us either in cash from our pocket or in opportunity costs elsewhere.
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Old 03-08-2015, 06:28 AM
 
Location: North America
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I don't join the 401k because I think the employer match is not "free" money. I have to work x years to get xx % of vesting. I don't want my money to get locked up in an IRA either. My 401k is my mortgage.

Reading this I felt like I was transported back to 2005!

I wish you the best of luck.
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Old 03-08-2015, 06:29 AM
 
Location: North America
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It doesn't matter if a home loses 100% of its value. At the end of the day, a home is a tangible asset that you can still live in. Stock, bond, and the 401k are intangible asset that if they lose 100% of their values; what do you have left in your hands???????
Has anyone ever, in history, lost 100% of their stock and bond holdings outside of collateral for overextended loans?
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Old 03-08-2015, 06:38 AM
 
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not if they had a diversified fund. in fact they would only have been higher if they had at least 15 year time frames for the equity investments.

if not then they mismatched long term assets with short term needs.
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Old 03-08-2015, 07:30 AM
 
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It doesn't matter if a home loses 100% of its value. At the end of the day, a home is a tangible asset that you can still live in. Stock, bond, and the 401k are intangible asset that if they lose 100% of their values; what do you have left in your hands???????
The chance of your stock and bond losing 100% value when properly diversified is lower than the chance of your house losing 100% of its value in a calamity.
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Old 03-08-2015, 07:34 AM
 
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today a paid off house down the road may account for zip in the equation.

when we first bought homes in the 1970's a home in the tristate area was 35k.

30 years later it was paid off. big deal , today taxes are 18k a year on that house. that paid off mortgage was like peeing in the ocean. you saved little in the end by paying off the mortgage. a 30k mortgage was such a tiny part of what it costs today between taxes and insurance that it hardly counts at all in the affordability equation.
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Old 03-08-2015, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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today a paid off house down the road may account for zip in the equation.

when we first bought homes in the 1970's a home in the tristate area was 35k.

30 years later it was paid off. big deal , today taxes are 18k a year on that house. that paid off mortgage was like peeing in the ocean. you saved little in the end by paying off the mortgage. a 30k mortgage was a couple of hundred bucks in that deal today.
I agree.

And people really need to remember before they think that their house is a tangible thing that it will no longer belong to you if you miss a tax payment. So do you really own it?
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