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So at work today, I was on my break sitting there pondering a recent event in my life between myself and another party, that clearly showed a lack of morality on their part........and then it hit me like a freight train......it had never been so clear to me that "morality" is not and can not be used as an argument for a God. It was truly a Eureka moment for me.
The morality arguemnt fails on one simplistic point....... not everyone has morals. If morals were proof of God, wouldn't it stand to reason that everyone would be born with them? Even watching your late local news should be clear proof that not everyone has morals.
Morality Agrument.....
Fail.
Thoughts?
I can help you here. I see an error in your thinking.
You are assuming that not everyone was born with them since not everyone you witness on the news has them at the time they are shown or told about on the news.
See? Surely we were all born with morals, with a conscience. Young children, before the world defiles them are the closest thing to God. *(not the most prayed-up adult in the world, but the guilelessness of KIDS)
To positively affirm that there is a "Source" for our reality or that there needs to be one IS unsupportable and ludicrous. To say nothing of a purpose set forth by this "Source".
You are seriously trying to argue that " You don't know what the Source of our reality is . . . but it is NOT God?". . . and you don't think that is ludicrous?
I can help you here. I see an error in your thinking.
You are assuming that not everyone was born with them since not everyone you witness on the news has them at the time they are shown or told about on the news.
See? Surely we were all born with morals, with a conscience. Young children, before the world defiles them are the closest thing to God. *(not the most prayed-up adult in the world, but the guilelessness of KIDS)
You must not have kids. Children are taught right from wrong they are not born knowing right from wrong. And children if not taught about a god would know nothing of them.
You must not have kids. Children are taught right from wrong they are not born knowing right from wrong. And children if not taught about a god would know nothing of them.
I have two daughters, both in their twenties, now. I didn't "teach" them but I "guided" them. I was guiding them to not stray from what they had inside.
Kids are born with a kindred spirit with God and His Holy Spirit. They already KNOW right and wrong. It's in there. They have to be reminded and guided.
Though I cannot prove what I am about to say to myself or anyone else, I betcha that a couple of hundred years ago and all times further back, that kids were in need of less guiding and correction. It was a much slower and quieter world, no temptation of movies, music, such a huge population around them and a barrage of suggestions to act up, nor to be such fast-paced kids.
Therefore, they were more in-tune with their inner-selves, and less apt to act up.
See? Surely we were all born with morals, with a conscience. Young children, before the world defiles them are the closest thing to God. *(not the most prayed-up adult in the world, but the guilelessness of KIDS)
If you believe this and are a Christian, you stand in opposition to the Bible, which teaches that all humans are born sinful.
To be fair, I agree with you that children are basically good. However, I'm an atheist, so that doesn't conflict with my views.
You are seriously trying to argue that " You don't know what the Source of our reality is . . . but it is NOT God?". . . and you don't think that is ludicrous?
If you believe this and are a Christian, you stand in opposition to the Bible, which teaches that all humans are born sinful.
To be fair, I agree with you that children are basically good. However, I'm an atheist, so that doesn't conflict with my views.
Northstar, no I am not. Stop and ponder this some more. All are slaves to sin, indeed. We all KNOW what is right in our hearts and yet we do not OBEY it every single moment. That's what MAKES us sinners.
We know deep inside when we are doing what is wrong. I'm not off the mark on this one iota.
Kids are born with a kindred spirit with God and His Holy Spirit. They already KNOW right and wrong. It's in there. They have to be reminded and guided.
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This is an untrue statement. Children are not born with religious belief they must be taught. Do you believe that a child born in India knows the Christian god at birth but is converted to Hinduism? What of children with no contact with the modern world? Are they born with this kindred spirit? Whatever that is. Christians can be some of the most pompous self important people.
Are you one of those "Poof . . . it just is" types?
Sure why not. I find it much more likely that reality came to be without your mysterious Source. You need a mind behind the "Poof" I don't.
In the end I don't know the source of our reality or if there even was a source. I don't know and neither do you. We never will.
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