09-16-2014, 08:09 AM
Location: Hyrule
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ScoPro
What Zippyman said.
Having been an eyewitness to the first big campus mass shooting (Charles Whitman - U. of Texas Tower sniper - 1966) that was the catalyst for the introduction of SWAT teams to local LE agencies, select fire M16 carbines/rifles for college PDs or even city/county police are overkill (NPI), IMO.
Watched first hand how Whitman's easy targeting of people was cut short by a number of students firing back at him from dorm & apartment windows with their deer rifles (UT wasn't a "gun free" zone then - my own brother kept his guns in his dorm closet when he worked/lived at the student health center).
The Austin police officers on the ground were shooting back with their issued S&W Model 10 .38 Special revolvers - Whitman was 300' above them behind a stone parapet wall.
Two LEOs, with the help of a bookstore manager who had his own handgun, took Whitman down FTF with a department issue pump shotgun and a S&W revolver (the shotgun primarily).
A self-loading (semi-auto) AR-15 would have been just as effective in that situation as a select, or full, auto, IMO. The students who were providing the suppressive fire from the ground were most likely using bolt action rifles or lever guns.
Next thing ya know the ASUPD will be getting a "free" MRAP from the government.
Ironically, here in Texas it is legal for a CHL holder to carry concealed while walking around a college campus, but cannot carry inside any of the buildings.
Whitman didn't need any stinkin' permit at all.
Yikes! Glad you made it through to talk about it. Thanks for sharing, it's a real eye opener.
09-16-2014, 08:21 AM
Location: La Jolla, CA
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Why stop there? Put a destroyer in Tempe Town Lake. That ought to make a statement.
09-16-2014, 08:40 AM
Location: Phoenix metro
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Why stop there? Put a destroyer in Tempe Town Lake. That ought to make a statement.
Right on!
Id also suggest rolling a couple M1A1 Abrams tanks onto campus as well. Lets see those frat boys n girls pull some crap now!
09-16-2014, 08:47 AM
Location: Phoenix Arizona
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In response U of A is purchasing bazookas.
09-16-2014, 09:12 AM
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Its already happened here remember the guy that killed the six nurses at the nursing school at the U of A. By the time the campus police called the Tucson PD SWAT team,guess what all over? Virgina Tech...there are so many. Guess what,,now U of A carry patrol rifles in their vehicles. With all the radicals on campus now a days and convicted felons like the professor at ASU,,they need all they can get.
09-16-2014, 10:06 AM
Location: La Jolla, CA
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In response U of A is purchasing bazookas.
And NAU is leasing some F35s burning a special 20% mixture of algae-derived green jet fuel. Apparently the rugged terrain and low population density surrounding Flagstaff might harbor campus terr'ists, similar to the mountains of Afghanistan.
As a bonus, NAU is claiming that their new elite air force will have the ability to neutralize a campus threat at ASU in Tempe, in even less time than ASU's own ground based forces.
09-16-2014, 10:08 AM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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This could be a disaster waiting happen. Given any police department military grade weapons and they will find an excuse to use them.
09-16-2014, 10:11 AM
Location: La Jolla, CA
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This could be a disaster waiting happen. Given any police department military grade weapons and they will find an excuse to use them.
in before someone labels you a conspiracy theorist
09-16-2014, 10:18 AM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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in before someone labels you a conspiracy theorist
Conspiracy theorist? I just watch the news and read fact based accounts of militarized policing. Rise of the Warrior Cop is a good start and traces the history of militarized policing following Charles Whitman in Austin.
09-16-2014, 10:33 AM
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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I look at it as a way to advertise a bit. The fact that ASU has advertised these rifles, and the word gets out, that alone might make a few nuts think twice before doing their thing as they obviously want the least resistance they can find to accomplish their "goal".
I think it might be interesting to some that these crazies have existed for a long time now, all over the world, and that this isn't just some recent phenomena.
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Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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