Why Phoenix Metro with 3rd Worst Poverty and Dismal Recovery? (Tucson: low income, neighborhood)

[smilinpretty]

No one has to give Republicans a bad name, they earned it rightfully. Just saying.

[Catavenger]

Originally Posted by smilinpretty

No one has to give Republicans a bad name, they earned it rightfully. Just saying.

There seem to be quite a few people Democrats & Republicans who are moving here. They seem to like it, or they wouldn't move here.There seem to be quite a few people who are moving here legally and illegally. They seem to like it, or they wouldn't move here.
As a native all the negativity upsets me.
No place is perfect. At the risk of getting my hands slapped by the moderators here let me politely express my opinion:
TWO WORDS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE PLEASE LEAVE!

[beTucsonan]

Originally Posted by Catavenger

At the risk of getting my hands slapped by the moderators here let me politely express my opinion:
TWO WORDS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE PLEASE LEAVE!

Aside from clearly misunderstanding how to be polite on the internet, this statement also doesn't make any sense. Part of the nature of being "home" is that if things go sour (i.e.: the economy falling through the floor), you will be interested in staying and seeing it fixed. For all of everybody's disagreements here, the common thread seems to be some dismay about the state of the economy and the desire to see the problems turned around.

If you consider Phoenix, or Arizona as a whole, to be your home and you have problems with the way things are then you should definitely stay and try to make it better. If things go bad and you just pick up and leave, then what? Leave every place you go any time something goes wrong? That won't work for you or the communities you abandon along the way.

[Catavenger]

Originally Posted by BajaAZ

Aside from clearly misunderstanding how to be polite on the internet, this statement also doesn't make any sense. Part of the nature of being "home" is that if things go sour (i.e.: the economy falling through the floor), you will be interested in staying and seeing it fixed. For all of everybody's disagreements here, the common thread seems to be some dismay about the state of the economy and the desire to see the problems turned around.

If you consider Phoenix, or Arizona as a whole, to be your home and you have problems with the way things are then you should definitely stay and try to make it better. If things go bad and you just pick up and leave, then what? Leave every place you go any time something goes wrong? That won't work for you or the communities you abandon along the way.

The reason I feel they should leave is that that they don't seem willing to work and fix the problems. They play the blame game and say "It's the Tea Party's fault" of they blame it on the Republicans.
I just feel that those negative ones who blame and who cry and hate might be happier in another state.

[Potential_Landlord]

Originally Posted by Catavenger

There seem to be quite a few people Democrats & Republicans who are moving here. They seem to like it, or they wouldn't move here.There seem to be quite a few people who are moving here legally and illegally. They seem to like it, or they wouldn't move here.
As a native all the negativity upsets me.
No place is perfect. At the risk of getting my hands slapped by the moderators here let me politely express my opinion:
TWO WORDS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE PLEASE LEAVE!

Agreed 100%. And if you stay, vote responsibly this fall to support our fed-backed RE economy in Phoenix and AZ. Don't kill or antagonize the goose that lays golden eggs for us. Don't follow ideology but what's best for Arizona. This is our chance to get it right and we do not have much time left.

[Potential_Landlord]

Originally Posted by Catavenger

The reason I feel they should leave is that that they don't seem willing to work and fix the problems. They play the blame game and say "It's the Tea Party's fault" of they blame it on the Republicans.
I just feel that those negative ones who blame and who cry and hate might be happier in another state.

So you just stick with those leaders that ruin our economy? Is that your answer to our problems? I would call this dangerous apathy. How are we supposed to make any progress with such attitudes?

[Catavenger]

Originally Posted by Potential_Landlord

So you just stick with those leaders that ruin our economy? Is that your answer to our problems? I would call this dangerous apathy. How are we supposed to make any progress with such attitudes?

Just think really carefully what is "Progress"

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by new2colo

Yes, the defense industry used to be a major player to the economy, as well as the 5 C's....

I don't think it's ridiculous for the people of this state to not want to be at the bottom of the list in every category. What may have been more acceptable when this state had 100,000 people is not necessarily OK at 6.5 million. It's time for this state to grow up and get it together.

But when wasn't it a poor state?

As for defense, what was here? Seriously, was there a huge manufacturing facility that left (I came here from CT home of Pratt/UT, Sikorsky and GD Electric Boat among others)?

[actinic]

Excellent discussion. Pretty much summarizes what has been said many times in other threads.

[KurtAZ]

Originally Posted by Burning Madolf

But when wasn't it a poor state?

As for defense, what was here? Seriously, was there a huge manufacturing facility that left (I came here from CT home of Pratt/UT, Sikorsky and GD Electric Boat among others)?

General Dynamics and Boeing (AH-64 Apache specifically). Motorola used to have a huge presence here...Orbital is still here (think Rocket Scientists). Not the level of the Sikorsky facilities (I was really impressed driving into Trumbull and watching the helicopters taking off over the river) but it was here.

And no...this has not always been a poor State, nor is it. AZ is normally around 18 or 19 for highest Gross State Product.