SR 30 (I-10 Reliever) proposed as toll road (neighborhood, cost)

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Prickly Pear

I don't mind tolls if it covers for paying for the roads, better than using our tax money to pay for expensive infrastructure paid by people being heavily subsidized. More tax money to go to education or other things we need just as much.

Granted if this road has a toll and is being subsidized by tax money just as much as any normal freeway, I won't support it. That is highway robbery pun intended.

If people really want a I-10 highway reliever they need to be building north of the I-10, not south of.

They tried that, the cancelled Paradise Pkwy/AZ 50. That cuts through already built out more valuable real estate, it would be both cost prohibitive and would face neighborhood opposition

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

Another question regarding tolls... Will ADOT have transponders that people can put on their windshield? Basically, you can fill up your transponder via online through your account with money which counts as credit, and that's used to bill the payment for the tolls.

I'm pretty sure it will be all-electronic open road tolling that uses a mix of transponders and toll-by-plate (the latter with a higher rate for those without transponders).

[johnp292]

Originally Posted by asufan

I'm just going from my experience of every toll lane or toll road I've been on usually flying by the rest of the traffic. I've not experience gridlock on them often enough to move the needle, but yes it occasionally happens.

I guess you've never been on the NJ Turnpike, Garden State Parkway, or the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike (just to name a few). All are toll roads and all are subject to gridlock. In fact, with regard to the GSP, the toll booths themselves, some of which are very close together, are often the causes of gridlock.

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by johnp292

I guess you've never been on the NJ Turnpike, Garden State Parkway, or the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike (just to name a few). All are toll roads and all are subject to gridlock. In fact, with regard to the GSP, the toll booths themselves, some of which are very close together, are often the causes of gridlock.

As I stated in my previous post, I expect that SR 30 (assuming ADOT goes the toll route), as well as any other toll roads in Arizona will use all-electronic open road tolling instead of physical toll booths.

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

As I stated in my previous post, I expect that SR 30 (assuming ADOT goes the toll route), as well as any other toll roads in Arizona will use all-electronic open road tolling instead of physical toll booths.

All new toll roads being built across the US seem to be going toward the all-electronic (cashless) payment method. The PA Turnpike, the granddaddy of toll roads, has been studying the conversion to an all-electronic system for some time. It seems eventually Pennsylvania will remove the toll booths, get rid of its 750 toll collectors and go all-electronic (cashless) in the next 10-15 years.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by cjseliga

All new toll roads being built across the US seem to be going toward the all-electronic (cashless) payment method. The PA Turnpike, the granddaddy of toll roads, has been studying the conversion to an all-electronic system for some time. It seems eventually Pennsylvania will remove the toll booths, get rid of its 750 toll collectors and go all-electronic (cashless) in the next 10-15 years.

That will stop truckers from using the road if that happens, if they do the license plate toll collection, that bill would go to the company, who might ding the driver. The whole cashless tolls really only works with local drivers, or for passenger vehicles

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

That will stop truckers from using the road if that happens, if they do the license plate toll collection, that bill would go to the company, who might ding the driver. The whole cashless tolls really only works with local drivers, or for passenger vehicles

Remember that there is a mandate for national interoperability of toll transponders. Toll-by-plate is almost never used alone; it is almost always used in combination with transponder tags. The reason is due to the higher processing costs of toll-by-plate transactions compared to transponder-based transactions, which is why those who have transponders usually get a discounted rate. Most truckers probably have some states' transponders onboard.

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

That will stop truckers from using the road if that happens, if they do the license plate toll collection, that bill would go to the company, who might ding the driver. The whole cashless tolls really only works with local drivers, or for passenger vehicles

Too late, they already implemented it at the PA Turnpike bridge over the Delaware River connecting New Jersey and Pennsylvania and guess what trucks still use it!

‘Cashless’ Tolling Starts Sunday at PA Turnpike Bridge over Delaware River

E-ZPass motorists — who account for 80 percent of traffic at the bridge — will pay $5 for a two-axle (passenger) vehicle; non-E-ZPass motorists will pay $6.75 for a two-axle (passenger) vehicle via PA Turnpike TOLL BY PLATE, a new system that will take a photo of the license plate and mail an invoice to the vehicle owner. For commercial operators, each additional axle will cost an additional $5 for E-ZPass motorists and an additional $6.75 for non-E-ZPass motorists.

“The new bridge toll will be collected automatically at highway speed so Turnpike travelers will not have to stop, which is safer and more convenient than stopping at a tollbooth,” said Turnpike CEO Mark Compton. “The cashless toll is a one-way toll, meaning eastbound Turnpike travelers driving into New Jersey will no longer pay at this location, though the decommissioned Delaware River Bridge toll plaza will remain in place for a time.”

Motorists who do not use E-ZPass can expect the first PA Turnpike TOLL BY PLATE invoices in the mail during the week of Jan. 25.

[asufan]

Originally Posted by johnp292

I guess you've never been on the NJ Turnpike, Garden State Parkway, or the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike (just to name a few). All are toll roads and all are subject to gridlock. In fact, with regard to the GSP, the toll booths themselves, some of which are very close together, are often the causes of gridlock.

Nah I try to stay away from the Northeast US at all costs I wouldn't compare AZ to New Jersey at all.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

Remember that there is a mandate for national interoperability of toll transponders. Toll-by-plate is almost never used alone; it is almost always used in combination with transponder tags. The reason is due to the higher processing costs of toll-by-plate transactions compared to transponder-based transactions, which is why those who have transponders usually get a discounted rate. Most truckers probably have some states' transponders onboard.

We don't have any transponders at our company, I'm sure we aren't the only one