More for North Shore (Pittsburgh, Carnegie: appointed, sale, 2014)

[pman]

Originally Posted by Debbie1125

That was a real restaurant? I thought it was just something made up for Seinfeld.

"real restaurant" might be stretching it.
they had some in the philly area

[norcider]

Turning that whole area into an urban sprawl of mediocrity.

[pman]

its official for this poor excuae of a project, another win for political connections
Stadium Authority agrees to sell North Shore parking lot for development | TribLIVE Mobile

[gg]

Why are people negative on this? I think it will blend into what is already there. Some more restaurants and maybe more office traffic, which is more business. What is the downside? What would you rather see in that location? The North Shore looks like a huge parking lot with buildings popping out of asphalt. Why is there different than what is there?

[pman]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

Why are people negative on this? I think it will blend into what is already there. Some more restaurants and maybe more office traffic, which is more business. What is the downside? What would you rather see in that location? The North Shore looks like a huge parking lot with buildings popping out of asphalt. Why is there different than what is there?

originally stabile proposed a ten story office building and claimed that the development team was moving too slowly (true theyre behind schedule) and that they were getting land way below cost (also true). he insisted the land be put on the market not signed over in a backroom deal.instead the development team made a backroom deal to extend their deadline and came up with this crapass proposal because the steelers dont like the idea of more jobs and people taking up parkkng spaces. the whole reason that its a sea of parking lots is continental is taking too long to develop. you should raise your standards instead of being excited about whatever the croniea see fit to give you. fitting in is irrelevant, a ten story office building would also fit in.

[Craziaskowboi]

Honestly, I don't care quite as much about how the land west of the Fort Duquesne Bridge is developed as I do east of the Fort Duquesne Bridge. I think the area around PNC Park should be developed as an extension of downtown, with a bit more height and building density. As for the area around Heinz Field, develop the areas west of it and along the river, but leave the parking lot east of it and closest to PA 65 alone. That way there's convenient parking for events at Stage AE, and a space dedicated for tailgating before football games.

[pman]

Originally Posted by Gnutella

Honestly, I don't care quite as much about how the land west of the Fort Duquesne Bridge is developed as I do east of the Fort Duquesne Bridge. I think the area around PNC Park should be developed as an extension of downtown, with a bit more height and building density. As for the area around Heinz Field, develop the areas west of it and along the river, but leave the parking lot east of it and closest to PA 65 alone. That way there's convenient parking for events at Stage AE, and a space dedicated for tailgating before football games.

i tend to agree but the cozy little arrangement they have is producing subpar development and no incentive to develop in a timely manner. had they voted to not extend the deadline the land would have been rebid at market rates. (not 1999 values) and it would send a clear message that the city intendes to enforce the agreement.

[gg]

Originally Posted by pman

originally stabile proposed a ten story office building and claimed that the development team was moving too slowly (true theyre behind schedule) and that they were getting land way below cost (also true). he insisted the land be put on the market not signed over in a backroom deal.instead the development team made a backroom deal to extend their deadline and came up with this crapass proposal because the steelers dont like the idea of more jobs and people taking up parkkng spaces. the whole reason that its a sea of parking lots is continental is taking too long to develop. you should raise your standards instead of being excited about whatever the croniea see fit to give you. fitting in is irrelevant, a ten story office building would also fit in.

Who said I was "excited"? I think that area is pretty darn ugly. The area around PNC is much nicer. All I see around Heinz/Buffett field is a sea of bright yellow seats that look hideous. Fitting in isn't "irrelevant". Is there any articles about all the backdoor stuff going on? I must have missed it and wouldn't mind the read. Thanks.

[pman]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

Who said I was "excited"? I think that area is pretty darn ugly. The area around PNC is much nicer. All I see around Heinz/Buffett field is a sea of bright yellow seats that look hideous. Fitting in isn't "irrelevant". Is there any articles about all the backdoor stuff going on? I must have missed it and wouldn't mind the read. Thanks.

its in one of the threads on the north shore here.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Gnutella

Honestly, I don't care quite as much about how the land west of the Fort Duquesne Bridge is developed as I do east of the Fort Duquesne Bridge. I think the area around PNC Park should be developed as an extension of downtown, with a bit more height and building density. As for the area around Heinz Field, develop the areas west of it and along the river, but leave the parking lot east of it and closest to PA 65 alone. That way there's convenient parking for events at Stage AE, and a space dedicated for tailgating before football games.

The only large lot in that area is the one which takes up most of the block north of PNC Park and south of 279. There's four or five smaller lots, but I think these mostly are surface parking for the businesses, and I can't see these going away without building another garage somewhere in that area. We can argue that the blocks between the Rachel Carson and Roberto Clemente bridges aren't dense enough, but I don't see any way you could build some serious skyscrapers there unless you start knocking down the existing buildings.

That said, my preference would be to build a few more skyscrapers in that area over downtown. I think downtown is getting a bit too crowded with skyscrapers as it is. Within a decade, at current rates, I could see basically none of the historic buildings downtown surviving outside of Market Square, the Cultural District, and maybe Firstside. Better to have some spillover into areas which were already largely wrecked by urban renewal.