A few days in Cleveland - Some cross city observations...

[groar]

Originally Posted by juliegt

I agree. BTW, what neighborhood(s) did she live in? that's another similarity. SF & PGH are both cities of distinct neighborhoods.

that's very true!

i know she and my dad lived in potrero hill, and she grew up in ingleside terrace. she probably lived in some other places as an adult as well. she lived there til she was in her late 20s.

[SmittyXCWRU]

Originally Posted by eschaton

We attempted to go, but it was closed for some reason. Is it not normally open on weekdays?

The West Side Market is only open Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. I'm guessing you were there on Tuesday or Thursday.

[Geeo]

I travel to Cleveland periodically and enjoy the change of scenery. I've stayed at the Holiday Inn on Euclid (I think) which is in an old converted office building. I like the architecture around Public Square and the arcades (don't know how many are left). And I like the new bus rapid transit along Euclid Avenue. You can still see on Euclid some of the grandeur when it was THE shopping street in Cleveland. Haven't had a chance to check out Ohio City or Tremont, but maybe on a future trip.

Cleveland, like Pittsburgh, has had success in reinventing itself in the last 30 years. I do wish there was less surface parking in downtown Cleveland, because it makes it feel less dense and harder to walk around. But since there is so much room, I noticed that one lot only charged $5 to park all day!

[pman]

Originally Posted by Geeo

I travel to Cleveland periodically and enjoy the change of scenery. I've stayed at the Holiday Inn on Euclid (I think) which is in an old converted office building. I like the architecture around Public Square and the arcades (don't know how many are left). And I like the new bus rapid transit along Euclid Avenue. You can still see on Euclid some of the grandeur when it was THE shopping street in Cleveland. Haven't had a chance to check out Ohio City or Tremont, but maybe on a future trip.

Cleveland, like Pittsburgh, has had success in reinventing itself in the last 30 years. I do wish there was less surface parking in downtown Cleveland, because it makes it feel less dense and harder to walk around. But since there is so much room, I noticed that one lot only charged $5 to park all day!

I don't know. how much success has cleveland really had? downtown certainly has but on the whole, I'm not so sure. I'd also point out that not only does downtown cleveland FEEL less dense, it IS less dense. both pittsburgh and cleveland have about the same number of downtown jobs but cleveland's downtown is more than twice as large. (that also means downtown population density is about the same in both cities

[Brian430]

I'm not sure about downtown populations, but in the city limits Cleveland has 5,111 people/square mile and Pittsburgh has 5,636. Any difference in population density is because Cleveland's airport is located within the city limits; aside from that Cleveland is denser. The inner ring suburbs of Cleveland are denser than in Pittsburgh as well.

[wpipkins]

Originally Posted by Brian430

I'm not sure about downtown populations, but in the city limits Cleveland has 5,111 people/square mile and Pittsburgh has 5,636. Any difference in population density is because Cleveland's airport is located within the city limits; aside from that Cleveland is denser. The inner ring suburbs of Cleveland are denser than in Pittsburgh as well.

If we take clevelands airport into consideration, mu must also consider that 30% of pittsburghs land area is not developed do to steep terrain. Pittsburghs developed areas are very dense. Lawrenceville, southside flatss, and bloomfield come to mind.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by wpipkins

If we take clevelands airport into consideration, mu must also consider that 30% of pittsburghs land area is not developed do to steep terrain. Pittsburghs developed areas are very dense. Lawrenceville, southside flatss, and bloomfield come to mind.

Plus we have very large parks with city limits like Schenley, Frick, Highland, etc. Cleveland doesn't have many parks of size, aside from the one around the Zoo. And we have some ginormous cemeteries like Arsenal and Homewood which are the size of entire neighborhoods.

[Herodotus]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Plus we have very large parks with city limits like Schenley, Frick, Highland, etc. Cleveland doesn't have many parks of size, aside from the one around the Zoo. And we have some ginormous cemeteries like Arsenal and Homewood which are the size of entire neighborhoods.

You must mean Allegheny Cemetary.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Herodotus

You must mean Allegheny Cemetary.

Duh! Major brain fart on my part.