Pittsburgh's creative class hampered by a lack of diversity (vs, firms)

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by LIRefugee

What is your source?

I looked at the 2010 census data, and though it shows a much lower figure for "White only", this can be attributed to the fact that 11% or so stated "Other Race". This strikes me as a case of people choosing not to indicate race or filling out that part incorrectly.

I mean do we really need a source to tell us Manhattan is getting whiter? All one needs to do is travel north of Central Park and notice all the Whites out and about and the Posh/Chain/Sububran franchises quickly opening up along 125th Street a street where no-white person would be caught dead at any hour of the day or night, just as little as a decade ago.

But here a Google Search...

Manhattan
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/ny...nsus.html?_r=0

Manhattan becoming richer, more white - AMERICAblog News

Manhattan's Hispanic Population Shrinks Despite Growth in City, Census Shows - Manhattan - DNAinfo.com New York

Now Allegheny County becoming less white, I never said Rapidly becoming, but it is becoming less white, whites were what something like 80% white in circa 2000..what's it now mid-to high 70's???? Anyway I got my data about this from some of Gnutella posts on this very topic... I'm mobile now, don't have the time to search exactly. I think it was in one the many Racially charged "Blacks vs Whites, Pittsburgh is racist as hell", YAC locked down threads that litter this forum.

[LIRefugee]

When inquiring on population of demographic figures, I encourage everyone to examine the census data online for themselves; primary sources are always the best sources for data. No need to search through Google, you can go right to the source: American Fact Finder from the US Census Bureau.

All data comes from the American Community Survey 3-year estimates except for 2006, which is the ACS without any span of years specified.

Population of "White alone" in New York County:

2006: 770,921 47.8%
2007: 780,028 48.4%
2008: 795,443 49.0%
2009: 819,476 50.3%
2010: 759,519 47.9%
2011: 760,952 47.8%
2012: 763,569 47.6%

I find this to be interesting. The census estimated that both the absolute and relative population of non-Hispanic whites was increasing quite rapidly up until the 2010 census. After that, the bureau completely revised the expectations and now they estimate that the absolute number of non-Hispanic whites are increasing but the proportion is flat to slightly decreasing. Also, the numbers are far, far, far from the 90% figure posted earlier in this thread.

Population of "White alone" in Allegheny County:

2006: 1,003,820 82.1%
2007: 1,005,871 82.0%
2008: 997,552 81.8%
2009: 998,757 81.9%
2010: 987,591 80.8%
2011: 986,011 80.5%
2012: 984,533 80.2%

It looks to me here that the census bureau was estimating a slow decrease in overall population with the percentage of whites holding steady before 2010, but afterwards shows a similar absolute decrease but a slow but discernible relative decrease. Still, the percentage was above 80% as of a couple years ago and is probably around 79.8% now if the rate is accurate and consistent.

One thing for sure, there are more non-Hispanic whites in Allegheny County than in Manhattan.

[Buckeye Burgher]

As someone who has spent most of his life in Pittsburgh, I have to confess, I get a bit weary of these charges that keep getting thrown around that we are the most racist/bigoted/homophobic city on the face of the planet.

As I had pointed out in prior posts, our city is somewhat less diverse than others because our economic growth rate was too stagnant to attract African-Americans and Hispanics at points in time when both groups began migrating actively. They did not come here because their economic prospects were brighter in other cities. Not because we threw up a sign at the Ohio border which said "(racial slur term)s Not Allowed!"

If you go back to when our economic growth was quite robust in the early years of the 20th. Century, you'll find that we did attract an extremely diverse group of people who were migrating at the time (East Europeans, Italians, etc.)

One group that we have managed to attract successfully in recent years are South Asian Indians. They LOVE Pittsburgh. Most of them have advanced degrees, and earn far more than the national average.

As far as the homophobia charge is concerned, this region has a very large number of traditional Catholics. And because it violates the teachings of their Church, they are unlikely to accept fully every item on the gay agenda. Same Sex Marriage in particular. (frankly they are less amenable than most of the country to heterosexuals cohabitating outside of marriage for the same reasons). Because they take the teachings of their Catholic faith seriously. Not because they're all getting together and holding secret meetings to plot how they can make life miserable for gay people.

Pittsburgh recently elected an openly gay City Councilman. I doubt that would have happened if Pittsburghers were on the warpath, looking to persecute gays and drive them out of town.

And besides, the whole premise of this article has serious flaws. Who are the Creative Class?
That term gets tossed around quite freely, but no one really seems able to define it. And does having more of them necessarily equate into substantially higher rates of economic growth? It will be hard to prove that in my view. Are we talking about artists, composers, authors, sculptors, etc.? If so, those people, throughout all of history, have been able to successfully be creative in environments of great poverty, starvation, war, crushing political oppression, etc. In fact, some of the greatest art in human history was created under some of the most adverse conditions.

Just because Pittsburgh has fewer Hispanics than other places and the locals are not jumping up and down at the thought of Gay Marriage, creative people are suddenly less creative and less productive? I don't buy it.

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by LIRefugee

When inquiring on population of demographic figures, I encourage everyone to examine the census data online for themselves; primary sources are always the best sources for data. No need to search through Google, you can go right to the source: American Fact Finder from the US Census Bureau.

All data comes from the American Community Survey 3-year estimates except for 2006, which is the ACS without any span of years specified.

Population of "White alone" in New York County:

2006: 770,921 47.8%
2007: 780,028 48.4%
2008: 795,443 49.0%
2009: 819,476 50.3%
2010: 759,519 47.9%
2011: 760,952 47.8%
2012: 763,569 47.6%

I find this to be interesting. The census estimated that both the absolute and relative population of non-Hispanic whites was increasing quite rapidly up until the 2010 census. After that, the bureau completely revised the expectations and now they estimate that the absolute number of non-Hispanic whites are increasing but the proportion is flat to slightly decreasing. Also, the numbers are far, far, far from the 90% figure posted earlier in this thread.

I already corrected myself by saying below 110th Street in Manhattan is 90% white..... Pretty much All of Manhattan's Non-White Population outside of Chinatown is pretty much Segregated north of 110th Street, historically the most Non-White areas of Manhattan. With White's as reported by number of "sources" are moving further north as well.

Besides this map tell me all need to know about "Diversity" in NYC.... supplemented by the fact I live this everyday here.

[LIRefugee]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

I already corrected myself by saying below 110th Street in Manhattan is 90% white..... Pretty much All of Manhattan's Non-White Population outside of Chinatown is pretty much Segregated north of 110th Street, historically the most Non-White areas of Manhattan. With White's as reported by number of "sources" are moving further north as well.

Besides this map tell me all need to know about "Diversity" in NYC.... supplemented by the fact I live this everyday here.

Here are stats taken from the New York City Department of Planning Census FactFinder. The site groups various census tracts into neighborhoods, much like how Pittsburgh defines its neighborhoods, and gives you basic demographic data. Here is how it breaks down for all neighborhoods below 110th street (give or take a few blocks - Upper West Side ends at 106th or so and East Harlem South goes as far as 112th or so):

White Total % Neighborhood
53,647 61,207 87.65% Upper East Side
54,100 66,880 80.89% West Village
39,475 51,231 77.05% Turtle Bay
59,233 77,942 76.00% Yorkville
60,831 80,771 75.31% Lenox Hill-Roosevelt Island
15,600 21,049 74.11% Stuyvesant Town-Cooper Village
20,623 27,988 73.69% Gramercy
45,103 61,489 73.35% Lincoln Square
89,632 132,378 67.71% Upper West Side
33,818 50,742 66.65% Murray Hill
28,250 42,742 66.09% Greater TriBeCa
28,888 44,136 65.45% East Village
25,965 39,699 65.40% Lower Manhattan
45,661 70,150 65.09% Chelsea-Union Square
18,351 28,630 64.10% Midtown
25,891 45,884 56.43% Clinton
16,453 72,957 22.55% Lower East Side
10,072 57,902 17.39% East Harlem South
7,817 47,844 16.34% Chinatown
679,410 1,081,621 62.81% Total


As you can see, Manhattan south of 110th is around 62.81% non-Hispanic white. Although this is nearly double the percentage for NYC as a whole (33.3%), it is still nowhere near the 90% figure you are presuming. Only the Upper East Side and the West Village have a percentage higher than that of Allegheny County and only the Upper East Side comes within shouting distance of 90%.

It's pretty clear that Manhattan has a majority white population, but it's nowhere near the overwhelming majority that you make it out to be.

[The King of Um]

(1) Pittsburgh is most definitely diverse. Go to Oakland, Shadyside, East Liberty, Lawrenceville, Bloomfield, the South Side, the Mexican War Streets, Deutschtown, Downtown, Uptown, etc. and try to tell me otherwise. Actually, even suburbs like Bellevue can qualify as being diverse. Even Sewickley is more diverse than people on here have suggested. Check out this link. http://www.amazon.com/African-Americ.../dp/0738556874

(2) Pittsburgh doesn't lack young, creative people. Again, visit any of the above locales, and you'll find these people who, so goes the rumor, don't exist.

Methinks some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining.

[SammyKhalifa]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

I already corrected myself by saying below 110th Street in Manhattan is 90% white..... Pretty much All of Manhattan's Non-White Population outside of Chinatown is pretty much Segregated north of 110th Street, historically the most Non-White areas of Manhattan. With White's as reported by number of "sources" are moving further north as well.

Besides this map tell me all need to know about "Diversity" in NYC.... supplemented by the fact I live this everyday here.

I wasn't aware that the city had that many Blue people . . .

[LIRefugee]

Originally Posted by SammyKhalifa

I wasn't aware that the city had that many Blue people . . .

Can blue men sing the whites? Or are they hypocrites?

(anyone who gets this reference will impress me greatly)

[doo dah]

Originally Posted by lirefugee

can blue men sing the whites? Or are they hypocrites?

(anyone who gets this reference will impress me greatly)

(rip viv!)

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by LIRefugee

Here are stats taken from the New York City Department of Planning Census FactFinder. The site groups various census tracts into neighborhoods, much like how Pittsburgh defines its neighborhoods, and gives you basic demographic data. Here is how it breaks down for all neighborhoods below 110th street (give or take a few blocks - Upper West Side ends at 106th or so and East Harlem South goes as far as 112th or so):

White Total % Neighborhood
53,647 61,207 87.65% Upper East Side
54,100 66,880 80.89% West Village
39,475 51,231 77.05% Turtle Bay
59,233 77,942 76.00% Yorkville
60,831 80,771 75.31% Lenox Hill-Roosevelt Island
15,600 21,049 74.11% Stuyvesant Town-Cooper Village
20,623 27,988 73.69% Gramercy
45,103 61,489 73.35% Lincoln Square
89,632 132,378 67.71% Upper West Side
33,818 50,742 66.65% Murray Hill
28,250 42,742 66.09% Greater TriBeCa
28,888 44,136 65.45% East Village
25,965 39,699 65.40% Lower Manhattan
45,661 70,150 65.09% Chelsea-Union Square
18,351 28,630 64.10% Midtown
25,891 45,884 56.43% Clinton
16,453 72,957 22.55% Lower East Side
10,072 57,902 17.39% East Harlem South
7,817 47,844 16.34% Chinatown
679,410 1,081,621 62.81% Total


As you can see, Manhattan south of 110th is around 62.81% non-Hispanic white. Although this is nearly double the percentage for NYC as a whole (33.3%), it is still nowhere near the 90% figure you are presuming. Only the Upper East Side and the West Village have a percentage higher than that of Allegheny County and only the Upper East Side comes within shouting distance of 90%.

It's pretty clear that Manhattan has a majority white population, but it's nowhere near the overwhelming majority that you make it out to be.

It is an Overwhelming majority when no other Racial or Ethnic make-up even comes close to that of the White %'s. Unless you just going to sit here an lump every race into singular pot and make a simplistic White vs Non-White argument.