Developers build in East Liberty while Pittsburgh employment stagnates (Ellsworth: to buy, construction)

[ForYourLungsOnly]

Originally Posted by Evergrey

How many "CFP hates East Liberty" threads do we need?

I like East Liberty, and in fact lived there because of the potential the place has, it's great location and flat bikeable streets (although not really bike FRIENDLY). I just don't like the direction the development is heading. If I didn't give a sh** about the neighborhood, I wouldn't comment on the current state of it or it's direction. Why do I see a trend in Pittsburgh forums that if you don't like something and actually want to have a discussion about it, you are labeled as some kind of "i hate everything about Pittsburgh or said neighborhood" person or a "this must only happen in Pittsburgh" person. No....good and bad can and SHOULD be discussed about a city. If I had some vested interest in NYC and they were redeveloping some once run down area with crap suburban structures I'd call it out. As far as the thread claiming EL is some murder haven, I totally disagree. It isn't the city's safest neighborhood but it isn't terrible.

[Goodjules]

Originally Posted by ForYourLungsOnly

I like East Liberty, and in fact lived there because of the potential the place has, it's great location and flat bikeable streets (although not really bike FRIENDLY). I just don't like the direction the development is heading. If I didn't give a sh** about the neighborhood, I wouldn't comment on the current state of it or it's direction. Why do I see a trend in Pittsburgh forums that if you don't like something and actually want to have a discussion about it, you are labeled as some kind of "i hate everything about Pittsburgh or said neighborhood" person or a "this must only happen in Pittsburgh" person. No....good and bad can and SHOULD be discussed about a city. If I had some vested interest in NYC and they were redeveloping some once run down area with crap suburban structures I'd call it out. As far as the thread claiming EL is some murder haven, I totally disagree. It isn't the city's safest neighborhood but it isn't terrible.

Yep.

[gg]

Originally Posted by ForYourLungsOnly

I know Coffee Tree plays the "Acoustic covers" soft rock XM radio station out on the patio area but I've never seen actual live music there.

It was on a Sunday I saw that. Maybe it was a special event? Not sure.

[doo dah]

Originally Posted by ForYourLungsOnly

I like East Liberty, and in fact lived there because of the potential the place has, it's great location and flat bikeable streets (although not really bike FRIENDLY). I just don't like the direction the development is heading. If I didn't give a sh** about the neighborhood, I wouldn't comment on the current state of it or it's direction. Why do I see a trend in Pittsburgh forums that if you don't like something and actually want to have a discussion about it, you are labeled as some kind of "i hate everything about Pittsburgh or said neighborhood" person or a "this must only happen in Pittsburgh" person. No....good and bad can and SHOULD be discussed about a city. If I had some vested interest in NYC and they were redeveloping some once run down area with crap suburban structures I'd call it out. As far as the thread claiming EL is some murder haven, I totally disagree. It isn't the city's safest neighborhood but it isn't terrible.

Gee, it seems to me that there are some people who only want to bring up negative things, and don't want discuss it, just repeat them over and over, and imply that certain negative things only happen in Pittsburgh.

<shrug>

[gg]

Originally Posted by ForYourLungsOnly

...and flat bikeable streets (although not really bike FRIENDLY).

Definitely not bike friendly, that is for sure. I ride there all the time and it is always stressful. I am happy when I am in Highland Park for the most part. It seems to be much more mellow other than the occasional pickup truck driver that wants to pound his chest and prove he is a man by coming close for no reason.

I will say, as I have said before. East Liberty is MUCH better than it was a couple decades ago. It was pretty wild back then with some really tough bars still open. I am very sad to see Shadow go, but I don't know what all happened. If the bills aren't being paid, there isn't much anyone can do, but I don't know that real story.

[ForYourLungsOnly]

Originally Posted by doo dah

Gee, it seems to me that there are some people who only want to bring up negative things, and don't want discuss it, just repeat them over and over, and imply that certain negative things only happen in Pittsburgh.

<shrug>

Gee, it seems like this is the kind of knee jerk response I was referring to.

[ForYourLungsOnly]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

It was on a Sunday I saw that. Maybe it was a special event? Not sure.

Quite possibly

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by ForYourLungsOnly

I know Coffee Tree plays the "Acoustic covers" soft rock XM radio station out on the patio area but I've never seen actual live music there.

Coffee Tree roasters have a stage area setup just outside the side entrance. Live jazz and local performances are held there during the warmer months.

[ForYourLungsOnly]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

Coffee Tree roasters have a stage area setup just outside the side entrance. Live jazz and local performances are held there during the warmer months.

Interesting. I've been there many times and have never experienced this, or have seen a stage area. Maybe it's just weekends or something. Regardless, it still supports my claim that CT Roasters and Google are the only two worthwhile things about the whole "square"

[theta_sigma]

It is on the weekends, and happens frequently enough that I see it all the time. I drive by there many times a week.

I agree though, the layout of that place baffles me. I always forget what's in there because you can't see any of it from the street.