Firearms Owners Against Crime buss stop in in Regent Square (Pittsburgh: club, cars)

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by norcider

Read about Reagan and his crusade to disarm the black panthers.

I'm sure there will be individuals who think differently, but the open carry movement is clearly mainly by and for white people. To see this, you don't even need to go back that far in history, that far from this area, or speak of activists that were deliberately organized to seek political goals like the Panthers.

Just last month, in the adjoining state, a black man was killed by the police while peacefully holding a gun (that wasn't even a real gun) in a Walmart despite there being an open carry law. As far as I can find, not a single Open-Carry group did anything at all to protest or even seek more information.

John Crawford Shooting: Open Carry for Whites; Open Season on Blacks - The Root

[norcider]

The Panthers were a violent organization.... To a bunch of white establishment guys who felt only they had the right to have weapons.

[I_Like_Spam]

Originally Posted by norcider

The Panthers were a violent organization.... To a bunch of white establishment guys who felt only they had the right to have weapons.

Objectively speaking, the Panthers had a tradition of violence, including shootouts with the police.

Most of their activity was in states with strict gun control, where no one really had much of a right to have weapons.

[norcider]

Desperate times called for desperate measures.

[RogersParkTransplant]

Originally Posted by I_Like_Spam

Lots of things are accidents waiting to happen, hot stuff on the stove can spill and cause several burns, people can fall off of decks, trip on the sidewalk and fall into heavy traffic, trip in a subway station and fall on to the traffics.


Doesn't mean its "negligent" to set up any of those accident opportunities.

This can't be serious. If you have hot stuff on the stove or a deck on your house, you're very careful with it, and it would absolutely be negligent if the deck didn't have proper guard rails or the stuff on the stove was handled improperly. And the comment was about leaving the bag with a gun inside on a counter when there's KIDS in the house -- people with small kids spend all their time making sure that they don't reach up to a hot stove, or jump off a deck, or fall from a sidewalk into oncoming traffic, or trip on a subway platform, and if any of those things happened the parents would indeed be considered negligent.

I'm not really interested in debating about whether or not open carry is cool, because comments written on the internet won't change anyone's opinion on this, but the idea that it's even remotely OK to bring a concealed gun into someone else's house, and then leave it lying around, is just creepy. Comparing the act of leaving a gun unattended in a home to "cooking food" or "walking on a sidewalk" is an apt illustration of the kind of mentality I've often encountered among gun advocates, but if people don't want to see where this is crazy talk, there's not much that more words will do to change their attitudes.

[sicksburgh]

Originally Posted by DaisyDaisy

Interesting point. But why do they even need to bring a gun to hang out at your house?

Cuz it's they're right as an Amerucun dammit, and if you don't like it, well then you can just geeeeet out!

[ditchdigger]

Open carry makes a statement. That statement is, "I am prepared to kill you, if that's what I decide to do." Unless you know and implicitly trust the person, you'd have to be brain dead not to perceive the potential threat inherent there.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by ditchdigger

Open carry makes a statement. That statement is, "I am prepared to kill you, if that's what I decide to do." Unless you know and implicitly trust the person, you'd have to be brain dead not to perceive the potential threat inherent there.

This exactly. Open carry is an implicit threat of deadly violence if you mess with someone. It may be that the vast majority of people who open carry only mean for "criminals" to feel this implicit threat, but plenty of perfectly normal, law-abiding citizens feel threatened by it as well.

[stburr91]

Originally Posted by ditchdigger

Open carry makes a statement. That statement is, "I am prepared to kill you, if that's what I decide to do." Unless you know and implicitly trust the person, you'd have to be brain dead not to perceive the potential threat inherent there.

Originally Posted by eschaton

This exactly. Open carry is an implicit threat of deadly violence if you mess with someone. It may be that the vast majority of people who open carry only mean for "criminals" to feel this implicit threat, but plenty of perfectly normal, law-abiding citizens feel threatened by it as well.

Are you guys afraid that someone driving down the street is going to decide to run you over? Cars are much more deadly that guns (and kill far more people every year). I bet you guys walk down the street, and don't give the slightest thought about all the deadly weapons (cars) driving past you everyday, so why would you fear someone with a firearm?

How often do people that are legally carrying a gun openly, murder someone? It's pretty rare, yet cars kill many times more people than guns, and you guys fear the tiny percentage of people that open carry. You should really examine your fears, and really think whether or not your fear of guns is rational.

[RogersParkTransplant]

Originally Posted by stburr91

Are you guys afraid that someone driving down the street is going to decide to run you over? Cars are much more deadly that guns (and kill far more people every year). I bet you guys walk down the street, and don't give the slightest thought about all the deadly weapons (cars) driving past you everyday, so why would you fear someone with a firearm?

How often do people that are legally carrying a gun openly, murder someone? It's pretty rare, yet cars kill many times more people than guns, and you guys fear the tiny percentage of people that open carry. You should really examine your fears, and really think whether or not your fear of guns is rational.

The main difference here is that cars are not INTENDED to kill people. Guns don't have any other purpose.