Pittsburgh Business Times: Here's what locals said about Trump's executive order on coal (Washington: how much, living in)

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by UKyank

I don't see the demand for coal popping up anytime unless the cost of extraction & exporting it somehow drops very significantly. Of course if this did happen & they did reopen then, while there would be less jobs, the new ines that were created would likely be high paying specialized ones.

I was just pointing out that while Trump's coal policies might be good for coal companies bottom lines, and may even result in production increasing a bit again for a time, they will almost certainly do nothing for coal employment, which is the purported reason for tearing up the environmental regulations to begin with.

[Craziaskowboi]

If coal is a dying industry, then why even bother regulating it? The federal government can butt out and let the market kill it.

Originally Posted by fleetiebelle

Probably a better source of jobs in the area: With Thousands Of Trade Workers Expected To Retire, Local Unions Seek Apprentices | 90.5 WESA

BUTT THEIR'S TEH NO JOBS IN TEH PITTSBRUHG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi

If coal is a dying industry, then why even bother regulating it? The federal government can butt out and let the market kill it.



BUTT THEIR'S TEH NO JOBS IN TEH PITTSBRUHG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Nobody's saying there aren't jobs. What's mostly mentioned is the lack of well paying jobs.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi

If coal is a dying industry, then why even bother regulating it? The federal government can butt out and let the market kill it.

I'm sorry, but this is an idiotic argument. Not a lot of people work in water treatment, food manufacturing, or as airline pilots, and it's in the interest of the government to regulate all of these in order to ensure public safety.

[gg]

People keep posting articles from the likes of the Washington Post or some WESA or whatever. Who cares what they say? Does anyone feel any media can be trusted at this point? I certainly don't. If you want any real information you need to be as direct as possible. Listen to Trump himself, and listen to a CEO of a coal company of 10. The media in general is total garbage.

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Nobody's saying there aren't jobs. What's mostly mentioned is the lack of well paying jobs.

And even that's debatable.


Per capita personal income by MSA (2015)

$81,592 - San Jose
$79,206 - San Francisco/Oakland
$64,882 - Washington DC
$64,588 - New York
$61,021 - Seattle
$57,173 - Philadelphia
$55,975 - Denver
$55,275 - Baltimore
$55,148 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
$54,526 - Los Angeles

$54,346 - Houston
$53,886 - Chicago
$53,298 - San Diego
$51,099 - Dallas/Fort Worth
$51,014 - Austin
$50,756 - Pittsburgh
$50,681 - Milwaukee
$50,635 - Nashville
$50,460 - Richmond
$49,819 - Miami

$49,639 - Sacramento
$48,977 - St. Louis
$48,422 - Portland
$48,411 - Raleigh
$48,272 - Indianapolis
$48,056 - Kansas City
$47,830 - New Orleans
$47,783 - Cleveland
$47,254 - Cincinnati
$46,894 - Detroit

$46,570 - Columbus
$46,400 - Virginia Beach/Norfolk
$46,076 - Oklahoma City
$46,076 - Rochester
$45,769 - Buffalo
$45,371 - Grand Rapids
$45,092 - Atlanta
$44,935 - Charlotte
$44,568 - Birmingham
$44,556 - Louisville

$44,219 - Jacksonville
$44,057 - Salt Lake City
$43,535 - San Antonio
$43,008 - Tampa
$42,300 - Memphis
$40,811 - Phoenix
$40,652 - Las Vegas
$38,632 - Orlando
$38,536 - Tucson
$35,514 - Riverside/San Bernardino

N/A - Boston
N/A - Hartford
N/A - Providence

(Data courtesy of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.)


As of 2015, the Pittsburgh MSA ranks no worse than 19th in per capita personal income out of all MSAs with at least 1,000,000 population.

[wanderlust76]

There's like 40 threads about this on other boards my opinion is they didn't care what he said they were never going to vote for Hillary period. Sanders possibly..but never Hillary. Anyone in the industry should know that it's impossible for it to come back full strength even if they do major modifications to the regulations. Especially people in the industry in this part of the country that has natural gas drilling everywhere now.

[corpgypsy]

Originally Posted by gg

People keep posting articles from the likes of the Washington Post or some WESA or whatever. Who cares what they say? Does anyone feel any media can be trusted at this point? I certainly don't. If you want any real information you need to be as direct as possible. Listen to Trump himself, and listen to a CEO of a coal company of 10. The media in general is total garbage.

I care what they say. I feel there are journalists and news outlets that are credible sources for facts and information needed by the citizens of our country. Journalism plays a crucial role in helping democracy function.


Perhaps, GG, you are forgetting this, amid the clamor of partisan debate, and the current constant attempt, by your guy, to undermine our sources for those facts and information. It is a journalist's job to be skeptical of people or organizations selling their own book, whether they be Wall Street, politicians, corporations etc. It is the job of any news organization to provide facts and information, that can be corroborated and are based on truth, for the good of the citizenry. We may not always like the facts and the truth, but they are needed.


What is clear, to me, is that the relationship between journalists and politicians can have a significant impact on the functioning of a fair and just society. Politicians have the power to make decisions and take action on behalf of the public. Journalists scrutinize those decisions and report the implications to the public.


So you will forgive me for rejecting your advice to blindly listen to a politician for my education and in depth understanding of any important topic or dispute that affects this country and its citizens.

[prnlvsxy]

Originally Posted by gg

People keep posting articles from the likes of the Washington Post or some WESA or whatever. Who cares what they say? Does anyone feel any media can be trusted at this point? I certainly don't. If you want any real information you need to be as direct as possible. Listen to Trump himself, and listen to a CEO of a coal company of 10. The media in general is total garbage.

Yes, the majority of people feel the media can be trusted. The crazy brietbart nutjobs are the only ones that don't "trust" "the media", because of course it contradicts what they want to hear.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi

And even that's debatable.


Per capita personal income by MSA (2015)

$81,592 - San Jose
$79,206 - San Francisco/Oakland
$64,882 - Washington DC
$64,588 - New York
$61,021 - Seattle
$57,173 - Philadelphia
$55,975 - Denver
$55,275 - Baltimore
$55,148 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
$54,526 - Los Angeles

$54,346 - Houston
$53,886 - Chicago
$53,298 - San Diego
$51,099 - Dallas/Fort Worth
$51,014 - Austin
$50,756 - Pittsburgh
$50,681 - Milwaukee
$50,635 - Nashville
$50,460 - Richmond
$49,819 - Miami

$49,639 - Sacramento
$48,977 - St. Louis
$48,422 - Portland
$48,411 - Raleigh
$48,272 - Indianapolis
$48,056 - Kansas City
$47,830 - New Orleans
$47,783 - Cleveland
$47,254 - Cincinnati
$46,894 - Detroit

$46,570 - Columbus
$46,400 - Virginia Beach/Norfolk
$46,076 - Oklahoma City
$46,076 - Rochester
$45,769 - Buffalo
$45,371 - Grand Rapids
$45,092 - Atlanta
$44,935 - Charlotte
$44,568 - Birmingham
$44,556 - Louisville

$44,219 - Jacksonville
$44,057 - Salt Lake City
$43,535 - San Antonio
$43,008 - Tampa
$42,300 - Memphis
$40,811 - Phoenix
$40,652 - Las Vegas
$38,632 - Orlando
$38,536 - Tucson
$35,514 - Riverside/San Bernardino

N/A - Boston
N/A - Hartford
N/A - Providence

(Data courtesy of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.)


As of 2015, the Pittsburgh MSA ranks no worse than 19th in per capita personal income out of all MSAs with at least 1,000,000 population.

How many of those jobs exist?