White Silence on the Forum with: Pittsburgh's Unsolved Black Youth Violence... Maybe for the better? (income, moving)

[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

Valid. Many people in the "East End" are not affected by the murder rate. This typically refers to Shadyside, Squirrel Hill, Point Breeze, Regent Square, Swisshelm Park and can extend to most of Oakland, Friendship, Bloomfield bordering Friendship, Highland Park, Morningside, even most of Lawrenceville and East Liberty now a days......

The murder rate does what? It devalues neighborhood desirability, reinforces racial and/or socio-economic stereotypes, and starts a slippery slope of decline. This puts stress on the city as they now have to service an area where property values are low, and economic activity declines and less revenue is generated.
This affects the East End, putting more pressure on costs of preferred living areas. It might instill in those residents a learned behavior or places to avoid - which again negatively impacts the local economy.

Yes, people in the East End ARE affected by the murder rate of nearby neighborhoods.

[Uptown kid]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

The murder rate does what? It devalues neighborhood desirability, reinforces racial and/or socio-economic stereotypes, and starts a slippery slope of decline. This puts stress on the city as they now have to service an area where property values are low, and economic activity declines and less revenue is generated.
This affects the East End, putting more pressure on costs of preferred living areas. It might instill in those residents a learned behavior or places to avoid - which again negatively impacts the local economy.

Yes, people in the East End ARE affected by the murder rate of nearby neighborhoods.

If that's the case sure. To me that's like saying Donald Trump's kin are affected by the murder rate in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Harlem, Queens and Staten Island. Or that congress is affected by the murder rate in SE & NE DC. Or that all upper middle class and upper class families in America are affected by the murder rate in parts of St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, South Side/West Side Chicago neighborhoods... If that's the case then to the .0 something degree.

Unless you're living in, working in, going to the funerals, seeing the bodies, raising a family, trying to grow up, have family members/friends/peers in etc. unless you have direct connection (where it last more than a couple red lights on your commute or travel route) then you don't have a mere fraction of what other people do.
Each neighborhood, city and borough in Allegheny County that's affected by the murder rate has a colloquial phrase that references dead members of the neighborhood used by not just the gang members but the common people of all ages. Middle Hill/Lower Hill, DeRuad St, relocated Terrace Village, Bedford Dwellings, West Oakland near the Hill, Phase II East Hills Apts, Garfield, Homewood North, Homewood South, Lincoln-Lemington-Belmar, Hazelwood, Glen Hazel, Homestead, Duquesne, Braddock, North Braddock, Rankin, Mon View Heights, Larimer, Wilkinsburg, Manchester, Wilson Avenue, Perrysville Avenue, Fineview, Northview, Brigton Place, North Charles St, Alpine Ave, Beltzhoover-Allentown, Knoxville, relocated St. Clair, relocated Arlington Heights, relocated Fairywood, Sheraden, Greenway, Meyers Ridge, Hays Manor, Uansa Village, Pleasant Ridge, areas of McKeesport, areas of Clairton, etc. and then it beaks down even more to certain parts of the within those neighborhoods. I don't know a list of middle class neighborhoods where it's like that.

[gg]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

The murder rate does what? It devalues neighborhood desirability, reinforces racial and/or socio-economic stereotypes, and starts a slippery slope of decline. This puts stress on the city as they now have to service an area where property values are low, and economic activity declines and less revenue is generated.
This affects the East End, putting more pressure on costs of preferred living areas. It might instill in those residents a learned behavior or places to avoid - which again negatively impacts the local economy.

Yes, people in the East End ARE affected by the murder rate of nearby neighborhoods.

This is correct. Since Homewood shares revenue with all of Pittsburgh, it would no doubt be running in the red and places like Squirrel Hill, Shadyside, Point Breeze and the like have to pick up the slack to offset their negative impact. Same with the Hill District as you have to keep roads going and such and that would be paid for from the wealthier places in Pittsburgh as they have to give them a boost. It isn't like Squirrel Hill needs a bunch of help from the city to rebuild, fight crime and more, they have to give to the poorer parts of the city to offset blight. Run down crime ridden places are a drain on the city proper. Then you have places out of the city like Wilkinsburg that can't even fund a school! Wilkinsburg School District is dissolved and its middle and high schools joined the Pittsburgh Public School system. Believe me the drain is very much noticeable. How about that wonderful community Edgewood? They were forced to merge into a school that is more known for its murders than education! Not effected? HA! Imagine if Edgewood still had their VERY good school district in place? Can you grasp what the property values would be in that neighborhood? What a shame that happened so such a wonderful place!

Anyway, whatever. This stuff has been going on for a VERY long time and will be going on well after I am dead.

[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

If that's the case sure. To me that's like saying Donald Trump's kin are affected by the murder rate in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Harlem, Queens and Staten Island. Or that congress is affected by the murder rate in SE & NE DC. Or that all upper middle class and upper class families in America are affected by the murder rate in parts of St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, South Side/West Side Chicago neighborhoods... If that's the case then to the .0 something degree.

Unless you're living in, working in, going to the funerals, seeing the bodies, raising a family, trying to grow up, have family members/friends/peers in etc. unless you have direct connection (where it last more than a couple red lights on your commute or travel route) then you don't have a mere fraction of what other people do.
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i get it. you bring these things to the forum, saying "look here, why doesn't anyone say anything", then have this attitude that its not for anyone beyond these hoods to understand despair, personal loss, and violence.

no effect beyond the neighborhood?
it may be "zero" impact because of disinvestment. instead of being negatively impacted, PEOPLE MOVE AWAY! Lincoln-Lemington looks like Berlin after the Allied invasion. No effect?
Gun ownership. People having children then leaving the city to take advantage of public schools they perceive to be way better.
i disagree - the effect is far reaching.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

i get it. you bring these things to the forum, saying "look here, why doesn't anyone say anything", then have this attitude that its not for anyone beyond these hoods to understand despair, personal loss, and violence.

no effect beyond the neighborhood?
it may be "zero" impact because of disinvestment. instead of being negatively impacted, PEOPLE MOVE AWAY! Lincoln-Lemington looks like Berlin after the Allied invasion. No effect?
Gun ownership. People having children then leaving the city to take advantage of public schools they perceive to be way better.
i disagree - the effect is far reaching.

Bingo.

[Goinback2011]

Effects of lead exposure in childhood:

"For those who had been exposed to lead as toddlers, even in small amounts, the scans revealed changes that were subtle, permanent and devastating.

The toxic metal had robbed them of gray matter in the parts of the brain that enable people to pay attention, regulate emotions and control impulses. "

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chica...story,amp.html

[gg]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

Effects of lead exposure in childhood:

"For those who had been exposed to lead as toddlers, even in small amounts, the scans revealed changes that were subtle, permanent and devastating.

The toxic metal had robbed them of gray matter in the parts of the brain that enable people to pay attention, regulate emotions and control impulses. "

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chica...story,amp.html

With all the lead flying around in Pittsburgh in all these old homes, I don't think you could connect the dots so conveniently. I call BS in the context of this topic. People in Sharpsburg, Etna, Millvale and COUNTLESS other places are shooting each other. What about all the construction workers that have HUGE lead levels in their systems walking around? Nah, not buying it.

[Goinback2011]

Originally Posted by gg

With all the lead flying around in Pittsburgh in all these old homes, I don't think you could connect the dots so conveniently. I call BS in the context of this topic. People in Sharpsburg, Etna, Millvale and COUNTLESS other places are shooting each other. What about all the construction workers that have HUGE lead levels in their systems walking around? Nah, not buying it.

If the city maintains a database of homes with lead pipes, it could be easily mapped against homicides in the last 10 to 20 years.,

[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

If the city maintains a database of homes with lead pipes, it could be easily mapped against homicides in the last 10 to 20 years.,

DOES the city have such a database? If not, how can you be confident there is a correlation between lead piping and homicides?

[Goinback2011]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

DOES the city have such a database? If not, how can you be confident there is a correlation between lead piping and homicides?

I don't know if they do or not at this point in time. That's why I started the sentence with the word "if" .

There have been numerous articles in the news over the past few years about the city dealing with the lead pipe problem. In order to do that, they have to locate the homes with lead pipes, so at some point a database will be built.