CMU & Pitt researchers - PhDs most reluctant to get COVID vaccine (Erie: live, deal)

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by Pughnose

I thought that too. On this topic, I'm considerably more interested in the opinion of a molecular biology PhD, for example, than in that of a sociology or history or business or law advanced degree holder.

Those folks have important contributions to make too - this can't only be a discussion of 'scientists'. If we only follow the science without considering ANY other inputs, then we end up with Doctor Mengele. He was simply following science too.

The sociologist will tell us about how people are being tribalized based on fear and propaganda and 'othering'.
The historian will tell us how democracy is dying to thunderous applause as we willingly transform our government into a totalitarian technocracy.
The businessman will tell us how we're destroying the economy and how communism/centrally-planned economies simply don't work.
The lawyer will tell us how we're on a slippery slope by 'othering' some people and denying them the protection of the law, and this will eventually 'circle back' (to borrow a phrase from Jen Psaki) and result in less legal protections for EVERYONE.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by zalewskimm

Perhaps congress/senate need to pass a law eliminating the legal protection the vaccine makers enjoy. Only when people can hold them liable for injuries or death perhaps more will accept the risk and get the shot. Until then forget about it.

Speaking of injuries:
https://www.vaccinedeaths.com/2021-0...-injuries.html

[PghPatriot]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Speaking of injuries:
https://www.vaccinedeaths.com/2021-0...-injuries.html

The source of that article is Alex Berenson, who's famous for the following predictions:


US wouldn't reach 500k Covid deaths

• He has blamed the vaccines for causing spikes in severe illness, by pointing to data that actually demonstrate their safety and effectiveness.
• He has blamed the vaccines for suppressing our immune systems, by misrepresenting normal immune-system behavior.
• He has suggested that countries such as Israel have suffered from their early vaccine rollout, even though deaths and hospitalizations among vaccinated groups in Israel have plummeted.
• He has implied that for most non-seniors, the side effects of the vaccines are worse than having COVID-19 itself—even though, according to the CDC, the pandemic has killed tens of thousands of people under 50 and the vaccines have not conclusively killed anybody.

Berenson’s claim: In country after country, “cases rise after vaccination campaigns begin,” he wrote in an email.
The reality: In country after country, cases decline after vaccination campaigns begin.

Berenson’s claim: Pfizer-BioNTech’s clinical-trial data prove that the companies are being shady about vaccine efficacy.
The reality: His “proof” is a total mischaracterization of trial data.

Berenson’s claim: The mRNA vaccines dangerously suppress your immune system, possibly causing severe illness and even death.
The reality: His claim is based on a total misunderstanding of how the immune system works.

Berenson’s claim: In Israel, the shots are causing a scary number of deaths and hospitalizations.
The reality: Israel is a sensational vaccine success story: a nearly open economy where COVID-19 rates are plunging. See for yourself!

Berenson’s claim: Healthy people under 70 shouldn’t get a vaccine.
The reality: Outside of extremely rare cases, every adult should get a vaccine—and if it’s authorized for children, children should get it too.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghPatriot

The source of that article is Alex Berenson, who's famous for the following predictions:


US wouldn't reach 500k Covid deaths

• He has blamed the vaccines for causing spikes in severe illness, by pointing to data that actually demonstrate their safety and effectiveness.
• He has blamed the vaccines for suppressing our immune systems, by misrepresenting normal immune-system behavior.
• He has suggested that countries such as Israel have suffered from their early vaccine rollout, even though deaths and hospitalizations among vaccinated groups in Israel have plummeted.
• He has implied that for most non-seniors, the side effects of the vaccines are worse than having COVID-19 itself—even though, according to the CDC, the pandemic has killed tens of thousands of people under 50 and the vaccines have not conclusively killed anybody.

Berenson’s claim: In country after country, “cases rise after vaccination campaigns begin,” he wrote in an email.
The reality: In country after country, cases decline after vaccination campaigns begin.

Berenson’s claim: Pfizer-BioNTech’s clinical-trial data prove that the companies are being shady about vaccine efficacy.
The reality: His “proof” is a total mischaracterization of trial data.

Berenson’s claim: The mRNA vaccines dangerously suppress your immune system, possibly causing severe illness and even death.
The reality: His claim is based on a total misunderstanding of how the immune system works.

Berenson’s claim: In Israel, the shots are causing a scary number of deaths and hospitalizations.
The reality: Israel is a sensational vaccine success story: a nearly open economy where COVID-19 rates are plunging. See for yourself!

Berenson’s claim: Healthy people under 70 shouldn’t get a vaccine.
The reality: Outside of extremely rare cases, every adult should get a vaccine—and if it’s authorized for children, children should get it too.

And Fauci said we had nothing to worry about.

Are you saying you know the article and numbers aren’t true?

[PghPatriot]

Originally Posted by erieguy

And Fauci said we had nothing to worry about.

Are you saying you know the article and numbers aren’t true?

I’m saying this guy is not a trustworthy source of information.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghPatriot

I’m saying this guy is not a trustworthy source of information.

That goes for many folks regarding the virus, however, time will certainly tell

[PghPatriot]

Originally Posted by erieguy

That goes for many folks regarding the virus, however, time will certainly tell

Maybe. But i was specifically referring to this guy.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghPatriot

Maybe. But i was specifically referring to this guy.

Definitely not maybe…but thanks for the info

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by PghPatriot

The reality: Israel is a sensational vaccine success story: a nearly open economy where COVID-19 rates are plunging. See for yourself!

You're countering what you seem to believe as propaganda by disseminating your own propaganda.

Israel is now requiring anyone over the age of three to show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid-19 test before entering many indoor spaces, as it tackles a sharp rise in infections.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-58245285
posted today - August 18th

Israel’s active COVID cases pass 50,000, just 2 months after they hovered at 200
https://www.timesofisrael.com/active...at-around-200/
posted August 16th

A new strain of the Delta variant could force Israel into a lockdown, a health official warned Monday, as Israel surpassed 50,000 active cases, up from fewer than 200 two months ago.
The strain comes from South America and was identified in the US.
“If it reaches Israel, we will get to the lockdown that we so desperately want to avoid,” Dr. Asher Shalmon, director of the Health Ministry’s Department of International Relations, told the Knesset Law and Constitution Committee.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/co...eddings-676840
posted August 16th

[erieguy]

Wonder when the powers that be will think the virus is so serious that they’ll close the border. They must not think it’s a big deal since 100s of thousands of folks have been coming in for such a long time.