Pittsburgh Metro Automotive Manufacturing History (New Stanton: lease, college, tax)

[gg]

Originally Posted by PITairport

Congrats to Columbus and Ohio.

Pittsburgh never stood a chance at a project like this. I assume since it's Intel, this announcement is only the first phase of their larger $100 billion project.

Pittsburgh region isn't business friendly, nor is the state of PA. Ohio is much better.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/busin...ct/6514569001/

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by PITairport

Congrats to Columbus and Ohio.

Pittsburgh never stood a chance at a project like this. I assume since it's Intel, this announcement is only the first phase of their larger $100 billion project.

Why is it that pittsburgh never stands a chance at a project like this? It’s like a different economic world 180 miles west of here. Lots of high paying jobs and new housing for the growth. Pittsburgh needs to be at this table for hopes of any long term turnaround. If we just concede the jobs to Columbus that isn’t a far move for locals and college grads to go for work.

Columbus is a unicorn. It’s growth is incredible, but it is smack dab in the middle of a state that is economically bad overall. And Ohio overall is not better than PA. But Columbus itself performs night and day better than Pittsburgh and much better than Philly, which is a metro at least 3-4 times larger.

This is reportedly the largest economic investment ever in the state of Ohio. The data center is going to go in the suburb of New Albany, east, in suburban Licking County. Facebook, Google and Amazon already have data centers in that industrial park area. Wow!

https://amp.dispatch.com/amp/6514569001

[Independentthinking83]

This Intel Chip plant is way bigger than the whole Amazon HQ a few years ago. It looks like Intel was looking at 30-40 sites across the country before it was awarded to Columbus, OH. According to the Columbus news paper it looks like the average salary will be a whopping 130k. They said Ohio State engineering grads will benefit.

Did PA submit a package for this project? It looks like New York State submitted for it.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/am...essor-shortage

I do think the Pittsburgh area could benefit from this. The petrochemical industry making plastics and lubricants for those chips.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by gg

Pittsburgh region isn't business friendly, nor is the state of PA. Ohio is much better.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/busin...ct/6514569001/

That's likely part of it. Maryland is much the same. If it weren't for the federal presence it would be in the same boat. Down here it's regulations that stifle a lot.

Originally Posted by Independentthinking83

Why is it that pittsburgh never stands a chance at a project like this? It’s like a different economic world 180 miles west of here. Lots of high paying jobs and new housing for the growth. Pittsburgh needs to be at this table for hopes of any long term turnaround. If we just concede the jobs to Columbus that isn’t a far move for locals and college grads to go for work.

Columbus is a unicorn. It’s growth is incredible, but it is smack dab in the middle of a state that is economically bad overall. And Ohio overall is not better than PA. But Columbus itself performs night and day better than Pittsburgh and much better than Philly, which is a metro at least 3-4 times larger.

This is reportedly the largest economic investment ever in the state of Ohio. The data center is going to go in the suburb of New Albany, east, in suburban Licking County. Facebook, Google and Amazon already have data centers in that industrial park area. Wow!

https://amp.dispatch.com/amp/6514569001

Pittsburgh hitched its wagon to the medical field for job growth.

[gg]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

That's likely part of it. Maryland is much the same. If it weren't for the federal presence it would be in the same boat. Down here it's regulations that stifle a lot.

Yeah I know a big land owner in Maryland and he was hoping they would lift the fracking ban as he has huge amounts of property and mineral rights. They seem pretty restrictive, but it is a pretty state.

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

That's likely part of it. Maryland is much the same. If it weren't for the federal presence it would be in the same boat. Down here it's regulations that stifle a lot.



Pittsburgh hitched its wagon to the medical field for job growth.

And it’s not working out too well. The local economy needs to diversify. Would’ve been nice to get this plant 3,000 jobs paying over 100K.

Right now there are more open jobs in Ohio than anywhere in Western Pa. According to the PG article.

Where was the non profits, County exec and mayor trying to woo Intel? It was a big show for Amazon.

[RetireinPA]

Originally Posted by PITairport

I don't buy any of that. Outside of the SSW what condos and shopping is being built in the Mon Valley other than "The Waterfront"? There is a tremendous amount of flat brownfield land available in the region including up the Ohio River. Condos and shopping isn't going to bring in more money than thousands of high paying jobs either. Not by a long shot.

A tremendous amount of land just opened up in the vicinity of the new section of Southern Beltway. Sure that land needs cleared and graded, and there is a cost associated with that but when we are talking about a commitment from a company in the billions of dollars, that cost becomes negligible. Heck, land is even being cleared and graded in the airport area for basic warehouses being built on speculation.

Lack of available land is not the reason our region is missing out on these mega projects.

hold on a sec, I thot that topic why pitt DIDNT - past tense - have these plants. As I pointed out, it was metal feedstock manufacturing, they sure as hell were not going to tear that down. materials barged and trained in, product trained and trucked out - that was NEVER going to change as long as it was viable.



As for the available land in the mon valley - all the way up past morgantown - any flat land capable of holding a plant is either in-use industrial brownfield or snatched up by developers for housing and shopping. no one is going to use it to build a plant today. the vision for the future is different now, the powers that be do not want pittsburgh to be a manufacturing site, which is why each municipality upstream is trying their best to close down any residual manufacturing. mckeesport where the weed farm is would have been another idea location - but nothing doing. they got their paws on the strip up the allegheny and that is also leaving non-manufacturing industrial for housing.



there are other non-land reasons why an auto manufacturer wont choose pittsburgh, let alone PA but that is another story.


also, people not used to auto manufactuing do not understand the scale of things. a walmart plaza size parcel of land, will not build a car. remember the bunny plant? it was only final assembly for completed sub assemblies shipped in. it is about the size of a couple utility trailer manufacturers. go look at the norfolk VA ford assembly plant that closed in 07. the entire facility was as big as braddock. not the mills, braddock. (even the van assembly in tarrytown NY you could see from the metro north was about the same - these structures are not fitting ANYWHERE flat on or near pitt)

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by RetireinPA

hold on a sec, I thot that topic why pitt DIDNT - past tense - have these plants. As I pointed out, it was metal feedstock manufacturing, they sure as hell were not going to tear that down. materials barged and trained in, product trained and trucked out - that was NEVER going to change as long as it was viable.



As for the available land in the mon valley - all the way up past morgantown - any flat land capable of holding a plant is either in-use industrial brownfield or snatched up by developers for housing and shopping. no one is going to use it to build a plant today. the vision for the future is different now, the powers that be do not want pittsburgh to be a manufacturing site, which is why each municipality upstream is trying their best to close down any residual manufacturing. mckeesport where the weed farm is would have been another idea location - but nothing doing. they got their paws on the strip up the allegheny and that is also leaving non-manufacturing industrial for housing.



there are other non-land reasons why an auto manufacturer wont choose pittsburgh, let alone PA but that is another story.


also, people not used to auto manufactuing do not understand the scale of things. a walmart plaza size parcel of land, will not build a car. remember the bunny plant? it was only final assembly for completed sub assemblies shipped in. it is about the size of a couple utility trailer manufacturers. go look at the norfolk VA ford assembly plant that closed in 07. the entire facility was as big as braddock. not the mills, braddock. (even the van assembly in tarrytown NY you could see from the metro north was about the same - these structures are not fitting ANYWHERE flat on or near pitt)

So why didn’t the Pittsburgh region make a pitch for this Intel Chip plant? Where were the Westmoreland County commissioners on that one? New Stanton would’ve been perfect or the old Volkswagen plant

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking83

So why didn’t the Pittsburgh region make a pitch for this Intel Chip plant? Where were the Westmoreland County commissioners on that one? New Stanton would’ve been perfect or the old Volkswagen plant

Who said they didn’t?

And as to New Stanton:
“Amazon expected to be the tenant of million-square-foot development in New Stanton“

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/free...outputType=amp

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Who said they didn’t?

And as to New Stanton:
“Amazon expected to be the tenant of million-square-foot development in New Stanton“

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/free...outputType=amp

Provide proof they did. Actually provide proof that anybody did in the Pittsburgh metro. We keep hearing about the population loss and lack of good paying jobs. It looks like CMU grads are going to end up migrating to the “silicon heartland” what they are calling Columbus now.

We missed out on another opportunity to really help this region. Now a close neighbor got and I fear there is gonna be an exodus of college educated 180 miles west.