Maybe we should stop cheering political parties/ideologies as if they were rival sports teams? (Clinton, solutions)

[mlassoff]

In this age of media overload and sound bites, it seems that sadly many people:

(a) Need complex political discussions broken down in to such simplistic terms that the problem is no longer accurately represented.

and

(b) Cheer for their political party like a football team and instead of intelligent, thoughtful rejoinder offer "In your face...", "Not in a million Years", and other simplistic pejoratives as actual argument.

Have we become so stupid... so simplistic... as a nation that we need political discussions framed in an us versus them vernacular? Are we too lazy to look at the breadth a depth of a political, social or international issue and realize there is no singular solution (whether conservative or liberal) that will satisfy all?

The level of rhetoric on this forum is a complete embarrassment.

[sanrene]

Have we become so stupid... so simplistic... as a nation that we need political discussions framed in an us versus them vernacular? Are we too lazy to look at the breadth a depth of a political, social or international issue and realize there is no singular solution (whether conservative or liberal) that will satisfy all?

The level of rhetoric on this forum is a complete embarrassment.

Oh yes, how selective the memory of the Left. The rhetoric on this forum today pales in comparison to when Bush was in office.

You know, it's really too bad you didn't start such a thread back then, because doing so now really lends little credibility to the argument.

You reap what you have sown and the Left is reaping the bountiful harvest they sowed.

[NMyTree]

Originally Posted by mlassoff

In this age of media overload and sound bites, it seems that sadly many people:

(a) Need complex political discussions broken down in to such simplistic terms that the problem is no longer accurately represented.

and

(b) Cheer for their political party like a football team and instead of intelligent, thoughtful rejoinder offer "In your face...", "Not in a million Years", and other simplistic pejoratives as actual argument.

Have we become so stupid... so simplistic... as a nation that we need political discussions framed in an us versus them vernacular? Are we too lazy to look at the breadth a depth of a political, social or international issue and realize there is no singular solution (whether conservative or liberal) that will satisfy all?

The level of rhetoric on this forum is a complete embarrassment.

Now you're siniging my song!!!

Been saying that for decades.

Stubborn partisan loyalties and bias.....is one of the many top reasons this country is a complete mess.

But it's not just in these forums. No, no. Out in the real world..........many are exactly the same way. These forums, sadly, do represent a very real mindest and cindition in this country.

[mlassoff]

Originally Posted by sanrene

Oh yes, how selective the memory of the Left. The rhetoric on this forum today pales in comparison to when Bush was in office.

You know, it's really too bad you didn't start such a thread back then, because doing so now really lends little credibility to the argument.

You reap what you have sown and the Left is reaping the bountiful harvest they sowed.

Thanks for illustrating my point...

I made no references to right or left. I made an indictment of general rhetoric on here-- and I think both sides are culpable.

For the record I didn't participate in this forum until earlier this year.

And the point is just as valid now as it would be at any other time.

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Thank you

[NMyTree]

Originally Posted by sanrene

You reap what you have sown and the Left is reaping the bountiful harvest they sowed.

Funny, that's what the Left said to the Right....when Bush Jr was in office; in "retribution" for the behavior of Repubs during the Clinton tenure.

And by funny, I don't mean "haha". I mean.....how sadly pathetic.



So round and round they go............a stalemate of ignorance. A standoff of stupidity.

[carterstamp]

Originally Posted by mlassoff

In this age of media overload and sound bites, it seems that sadly many people:

(a) Need complex political discussions broken down in to such simplistic terms that the problem is no longer accurately represented.

and

(b) Cheer for their political party like a football team and instead of intelligent, thoughtful rejoinder offer "In your face...", "Not in a million Years", and other simplistic pejoratives as actual argument.

Have we become so stupid... so simplistic... as a nation that we need political discussions framed in an us versus them vernacular? Are we too lazy to look at the breadth a depth of a political, social or international issue and realize there is no singular solution (whether conservative or liberal) that will satisfy all?

The level of rhetoric on this forum is a complete embarrassment.

Yep, and I have been a guilty as the rest. Politics, like religion, is a pretty passionate subject.

[texdav]

Its more a metter of core beliefs that drive you to support one party that has a chance of winning and controlling anything really.

[subsound]

Ah, but breaking things down to sound bites are great for the stupid, lazy, and busy. People forget anyways, so you just need to get them riled up long enough to get a vote. Political debate is no longer about the truth, seeking a higher ideal, or building a better tomorrow. It's now about getting the reality show junkies riled up about how evil the other party is, by any means necessary, just long enough to vote for you.

More educated or smarter voters are not relevant, they have as many votes as the ignorant and stupid.

Personally, I don't have any desire to cheer for a team. Like hockey, I cheer that there are some really good fights.

[NMyTree]

Originally Posted by texdav

Its more a metter of core beliefs that drive you to support one party that has a chance of winning and controlling anything really.

But the core beliefs of Repubs, Demos and Liberals have basically mutated, inter-mingled, intercrossed and become one huge convoluted mess.

And historically, none of themk adhere to their so-called "core beliefs" when it comes to catering to corporate interests and their special interests. Which are usually based ion greed and self-interest.

So core beliefs is a moot and irrelevent point.

[DRob4JC]

Originally Posted by mlassoff

In this age of media overload and sound bites, it seems that sadly many people:

(a) Need complex political discussions broken down in to such simplistic terms that the problem is no longer accurately represented.

and

(b) Cheer for their political party like a football team and instead of intelligent, thoughtful rejoinder offer "In your face...", "Not in a million Years", and other simplistic pejoratives as actual argument.

Have we become so stupid... so simplistic... as a nation that we need political discussions framed in an us versus them vernacular? Are we too lazy to look at the breadth a depth of a political, social or international issue and realize there is no singular solution (whether conservative or liberal) that will satisfy all?

The level of rhetoric on this forum is a complete embarrassment.

I generally agree. I want to solve the problems.

In many cases, there is a singular solution. But single solutions do not satisfy multiple goals. Some want equal access and opportunity - some want equal outcomes. You can't satisfy both. You can't focus on one without neglecting the other. What do you do?