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The girl that shoved him was about his size. You ask him to use restraint and also say he doesn't have the physical ability to restrain them. I think the punch he threw was less force than mace or a taser. Mace is nasty and effects the victim for hours, plus anyone else in the vicinity. He was surrounded by people and a little incident can quickly escalate. These guys make like $12/hr around here, yet we expect them to react perfectly to every incident and put up with the crap that they do. If we are going to hold them to a higher standard like you suggest, we should also pay them a higher salary. You get what you pay for. I'm a flaming liberal willing to give this cop a break. He did just fine, except that he should have talked more to try to quell the situation. I'm sure he'll learn from it, if he doesn't find a better job first.
I said he didn't appear to have the physical capability to restrain her, but I think that could have been overcome if he weren't so inexperienced/intimidated by his surroundings. Don't care if mace or taser hurts more. Is that the contest now? Use the force that hurts less? I'm talking about what force I believe would have been appropriate. Don't think cops should EVER strike a citizen with their fists. If the situation was to the point where he couldn't handle it, draw your weapon and order them on the ground. Also don't care how much he makes...he signed up for the job. Don't think he should've talked more either...these girls were unruly, obviously didn't respect the cop, and thought he was soft. Punching her in the face proved their point, actually. A drawn weapon with STERN orders to get on the ground would have shut them up ASAP. Resorting to thug-like behavior does not impress.
I said he didn't appear to have the physical capability to restrain her, but I think that could have been overcome if he weren't so inexperienced/intimidated by his surroundings. Don't care if mace or taser hurts more. Is that the contest now? Use the force that hurts less? I'm talking about what force I believe would have been appropriate. Don't think cops should EVER strike a citizen with their fists. If the situation was to the point where he couldn't handle it, draw your weapon and order them on the ground. Also don't care how much he makes...he signed up for the job. Don't think he should've talked more either...these girls were unruly, obviously didn't respect the cop, and thought he was soft. Punching her in the face proved their point, actually. A drawn weapon with STERN orders to get on the ground would have shut them up ASAP. Resorting to thug-like behavior does not impress.
And if they still resisted,should he have shot them?
Back up was already called,what other means could he have used from the evidence on the video?
Draw your weapon and order them on the ground. His contant tussling with them put him in an even more dangerous position (they could have taken his weapon if they had murderous intentions). Don't wrestle (and certain don't punch) unruly, disorderly criminals. Draw your weapon and order them on the ground. In the case of most teens, you'll meet with compliance.
Both women are lucky they didn't a) get tasered and/or b.) get shot, c) beat w/ a baton, d) maced & then tasered, e) maced, tasered, beat w/ a baton, and then shot.
They will be going to jail for a long time. Regardless if the cop started it, or escalated the arrest. The moment she turned around, and the moment her friend extended her hand towards the cop it became assault and a 2 v 1 situation where the officer in these times is authorized to use deadly force.
Draw your weapon and order them on the ground. His contant tussling with them put him in an even more dangerous position (they could have taken his weapon if they had murderous intentions). Don't wrestle (and certain don't punch) unruly, disorderly criminals. Draw your weapon and order them on the ground. In the case of most teens, you'll meet with compliance.
And if they still resisted,should he have shot them?
Punching her in the face calmed her down; I think a drawn gun would have been even more successful. Only those with true murderous intent would continue to assault an officer with a drawn weapon.
I said he didn't appear to have the physical capability to restrain her, but I think that could have been overcome if he weren't so inexperienced/intimidated by his surroundings. Don't care if mace or taser hurts more. Is that the contest now? Use the force that hurts less? I'm talking about what force I believe would have been appropriate. Don't think cops should EVER strike a citizen with their fists. If the situation was to the point where he couldn't handle it, draw your weapon and order them on the ground. Also don't care how much he makes...he signed up for the job. Don't think he should've talked more either...these girls were unruly, obviously didn't respect the cop, and thought he was soft. Punching her in the face proved their point, actually. A drawn weapon with STERN orders to get on the ground would have shut them up ASAP. Resorting to thug-like behavior does not impress.
Sure. Drawing your gun on a crowded street over a jaywalking ticket is a better response than what occurred.
Sorry, I thought I was replying to a reasonable person. Carry on.
Yep friggin' weakling cop couldn't even throw enough of a punch to immobilize her,
he needs to spend some time in the ring!
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