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Why not have them stay open all night? Particulary in the larger cities....where you have folks more likely to stay up that late and the police force that can support it?
Or do what UT does (at least when I last checked)...stop serving at a particular time, but not close the bar until at least 1 hour later. In WA. they may stop serving at 130a....but not too long after that, they start the cattle call telling everyone to get the hell out.....so 99% of bars are completely closed at 2.
I just think that having a hard closing time, puts too many buzzed or drunk people all on the road at the same time and does maybe more harm than good.......
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Why not have them stay open all night? Particulary in the larger cities....where you have folks more likely to stay up that late and the police force that can support it?
Or do what UT does (at least when I last checked)...stop serving at a particular time, but not close the bar until at least 1 hour later. In WA. they may stop serving at 130a....but not too long after that, they start the cattle call telling everyone to get the hell out.....so most bars are completely closed at 2.
I just think that having a hard closing time, puts too many buzzed or drunk people all on the road at the same time and does maybe more harm than good.......
I think special 24 hour bar licensing is a good idea.
I presume WA adopted the 2 AM closing time for the same reason CA did - so nobody would be on the streets in case of aerial bombardment by Japanese Zeros? Funny how those laws have remained on the books long after the problems they were designed to address disappeared. Seattle, Tacoma, Bellingham, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, etc. are no longer under threat of being attacked from the air, and certainly not by Japan.
They don't let them stay open longer because they want all the drunks off the streets before the day shift workers and service people get out on the road in the early morning hours. It saves lives not to have these two groups mixing it up on the roads.
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Oh well, at least it's not the UK, where (correct me if wrong) the bars close at 11p, no matter what....
I'd be curious to see if there's a relationship between those states that have 24 hour bars (like NV and LA, Las Vegas and New Orleans) and almost 24 hours, like IL and NY, thanks to CHI and NYC.
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They don't let them stay open longer because they want all the drunks off the streets before the day shift workers and service people get out on the road in the early morning hours. It saves lives not to have these two groups mixing it up on the roads.
I don't think there are that many folks starting work at 4 or 5 am to make that a detterent to having 3a or 4a closing times.
Oh well, at least it's not the UK, where (correct me if wrong) the bars close at 11p, no matter what....
I'd be curious to see if there's a relationship between those states that have 24 hour bars (like NV and LA, Las Vegas and New Orleans) and almost 24 hours, like IL and NY, thanks to CHI and NYC.
The UK introduced special 24 hour licensing a few years ago in order to diminish crime occurring right when the pubs closed. Ironic that it happened right after George Best died so he couldn't enjoy it.
There aren't that many places with 24 hour licensing in Britain, btw:
They don't let them stay open longer because they want all the drunks off the streets before the day shift workers and service people get out on the road in the early morning hours. It saves lives not to have these two groups mixing it up on the roads.
Those laws were put into effect during World War II. The entire west coast was in a state of panic after Pearl Harbor thinking that they'd be next. Perhaps the defense plants going 24 hours at the time may have played into it, but the main factor was getting people off the streets in order to minimize potential casualties when the Zeros came. We now know the Japanese did not have the ability to mount a large scale aerial raid on a mainland West Coast city but that was NOT public knowledge during the war.
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The UK introduced special 24 hour licensing a few years ago in order to diminish crime occurring right when the pubs closed. Ironic that it happened right after George Best died so he couldn't enjoy it.
There aren't that many places with 24 hour licensing in Britain, btw:
The issue, again, with these hard closing times in North America.....right there. Crime could be reduced, if closing times were staggered or bars were open all night.
What's odd in WA. is that at the Indian Casinos, you can smoke at their bars and nightclubs, since it's on Indian land, however, they still have to close at the same time the rest of the bars do on Non Indian land, makes no sense.
I don't think there are that many folks starting work at 4 or 5 am to make that a detterent to having 3a or 4a closing times.
You'd be surprised. I used to be running the streets with my job between 2 and 6:00 AM. But then I live in a factory town and lots of people had to be at work at 5:00 and 6:00---There are so many factories, the town requires that they stagger their start times. Plus dumpster pick ups take place just after bar closing and the people servicing the restaurants and grocery stores are on the streets between 3 and 5. In the winter, it's the snow-plowers out in the middle of the night. At bar closing time we always took our coffee breaks to let the drunks go by. This issue comes up for a vote every so often where I live and the issue of drunks on the road when people are headed to work always comes up. Bar people rarely go home right after last call, they often go to all night restaurants first.
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You'd be surprised. I used to be running the streets with my job between 2 and 6:00 AM. But then I live in a factory town and lots of people had to be at work at 5:00 and 6:00---There are so many factories, the town requires that they stagger their start times. Plus dumpster pick ups take place just after bar closing and the people servicing the restaurants and grocery stores are on the streets between 3 and 5. In the winter, it's the snow-plowers out in the middle of the night. At bar closing time we always took our coffee breaks to let the drunks go by. this issue comes up for a vote every so often where I live and the issue of drunks on the road when people are headed to work always comes up. Bar people rarely go home right after last call, they often go to all night restaurants first.
Again, just stagger the closing hours or let the folks stay in the bar, like UT does it, until at least 1 hour after closing...issue somewhat solved.
More people start jobs between 4p and 7p than 3a and 5a. Should be ban happy hours to accomidate those people that work late afternoons or early evening?
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