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Old 07-03-2010, 11:54 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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My conclusions are drawn from the factual portion of the story. That is, the topic of the thesis as well as her career.
So you're saying you can take the first and last paragraph of a 130 pages document and know exactly what it says without reading anything else? Think of the time that would save if all read books and documents that way.
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Old 07-03-2010, 11:55 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I didn't say it was a factual link.
Got it. So it's basically a non-factual link that reaches a very dishonest conclusion. Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So you're saying you can take the first and last paragraph of a 130 pages document and know exactly what it says without reading anything else? Think of the time that would save if all read books and documents that way.
Nope. I'm suggesting that it was a very bad idea for her to study this particular topic for her research. Not that it would later preclude her from becoming a SCOTUS Justice (mostly because the Republicans and blue dogs are cowards), but it's an unwise choice for someone who would later apply for this particular position. Socialism, in general, is a toxic and lethal form of government (FAR more inhumane than raw capitalism) and anyone who places in their acknowledgements a friend or relative who helped form their opinions on the matter is certainly fair game to be scrutinized. Like I said, her career coupled with the thesis is a toxic terror.
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Got it. So it's basically a non-factual link that reaches a very dishonest conclusion. Thanks for clarifying.
You're welcome, my good friend. It was not their conclusion I was after.
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:07 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Nope. I'm suggesting that it was a very bad idea for her to study this particular topic for her research. Not that it would later preclude her from becoming a SCOTUS Justice (mostly because the Republicans and blue dogs are cowards), but it's an unwise choice for someone who would later apply for this particular position. Socialism, in general, is a toxic and lethal form of government (FAR more inhumane than raw capitalism) and anyone who places in their acknowledgements a friend or relative who helped form their opinions on the matter is certainly fair game to be scrutinized. Like I said, her career coupled with the thesis is a toxic terror.
Cancer is also a toxic terror. Perhaps we shouldn't study that? What about slavery and the pre-civil rights error? Pretty dark. Japanese internment during WWII? Pretty bleak...

I don't understand your argument. Wouldn't you agree that an intelligent person could distinguish between someone's actual political beliefs, and the topic of a paper they wrote? In college I wrote a paper on Timothy Leary... yet somehow, incomprehensibly, I've never smoked week.
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Cancer is also a toxic terror. Perhaps we shouldn't study that? What about slavery and the pre-civil rights error? Pretty dark. Japanese internment during WWII? Pretty bleak...

I don't understand your argument. Wouldn't you agree that an intelligent person could distinguish between someone's actual political beliefs, and the topic of a paper they wrote? In college I wrote a paper on Timothy Leary... yet somehow, incomprehensibly, I've never smoked week.
I think people should study socialism, and her thesis is probably very interesting. I also think it disqualifies her from being a SCOTUS justice. But, of course, this government is an indirect form of democracy and the idiots have spoken in 2008, so the ivory tower academic in charge gets to choose one of his ilk. I neither hate nor love the idea, I am simply stating my objective opinion. Kagan, like Krugman and other eggheads, should stay out of the governmental sphere and stick to academics (speaking as an egghead myself ).
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:15 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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1. what is the wisdom in appointing a "judge" with no judicial experience? Does one hire an airline pilot who has only driven a bus?
A CEO of an airline doesn't need to be a pilot.
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:15 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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I think people should study socialism, and her thesis is probably very interesting. I also think it disqualifies her from being a SCOTUS justice. But, of course, this government is an indirect form of democracy and the idiots have spoken in 2008, so the ivory tower academic in charge gets to choose one of his ilk. I neither hate nor love the idea, I am simply stating my objective opinion. Kagan, like Krugman and other eggheads, should stay out of the governmental sphere and stick to academics (speaking as an egghead myself ).
And let the undereducated and irrational run the country by emotion? These are complex issues and we live in complex times. I know the Palinesque oversimplification of the issues is popular with some of the hoi polloi, but I'm not so sure a simple-- and possibly ignorant-- approach is the best for coming up with solutions.

You still haven't explained how studying socialism disqualifies one from becoming a SOTUS justice...
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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A CEO of an airline doesn't need to be a pilot.
That doesn't follow. A SCOTUS judge also presides, he/she doesn't stop the operational procedure just because they are at the top of the heap in relationship to the court structure. If we were to apply your analogy, a CEO would have to fly planes just as any other pilot would. Clearly this does not happen, so the analogy fails. Well, more like epic fail, but you get the idea.
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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And let the undereducated and irrational run the country by emotion? These are complex issues and we live in complex times. I know the Palinesque oversimplification of the issues is popular with some of the hoi polloi, but I'm not so sure a simple-- and possibly ignorant-- approach is the best for coming up with solutions.

You still haven't explained how studying socialism disqualifies one from becoming a SOTUS justice...
Well, it may not necessarily disqualify one, but it would require a LOT more scrutiny, more than any other SCOTUS nominee had to endure manyfold. Coupled with a lack of experience in the courtroom, I doubt that someone like Kagan could ever get a pass from an intellectually honest senate. There will be a rubber stamp by the Republicrats, after some dramatic flair and grandstanding, she will continue on to become the next justice. IMO, her acknowledgment to her radical brother is probably the most damning aspect of her thesis.
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