Alrighty then, here we go again I guess....
First, it's pretty unfair and biased how you present this thread. You have a poll yet try to steer people in a certain direction by only presenting your point of view and a link to an website that supports your opinion. It would be nice if you could at least show links to both sides of the argument
freepb.org - Free Parks and Beaches for San Diego
No on Prop D - No on the City Wide Permanent Alcohol Ban at San Diego Beaches and Parks, Proposition D
Second, it wasn't a riot at all or anything close to a riot. No one was injured and only around 16 people were arrested and the whole thing was over in less than an hour. Compare that to REAL RIOTS where people die and it lasts a whole day to as long as a week.
3rd, I'm going to present my points below. RD5050 if you honestly feel like arguing about what I've said before go ahead but you know what it leads to. You've stated your case already so just let me state my opinion and if you really need to bust my balls about all these things we've discussed already then DM me or something. I'm tired of arguing about this honestly but will state my opinion anyways..
-There are over
30 laws that prohibit illegal activities at the beach and those laws need to be enforced instead of creating more and more new laws that restrict people's FREEDOMS. San Diego is already one of the worse cities for exercising personal freedoms:
What's the Matter With Chicago?: and Seattle and New York and Boston...? - Reason Magazine
-The beach is for everyone, and that EVERYONE includes those that like to consume alcohol responsibly.
99.9% of beach goers do not ever get in trouble for alcohol related offenses. The vast majority of people that choose to consume alcohol at the beach have always done so in a responsible manner.
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Beach attendance is DOWN from last year. This ban has not worked and has reduced beach attendance along with critical revenue and income for local businesses. People didn't start flocking to the beaches after the ban and in fact the opposite occurred, LESS people went to our beaches this summer
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San Diego's economy is heavily dependent on tourism and the last thing we should be doing is giving people an excuse not to come to San Diego. Several tourists have written letters to the Beach and Bay Press expressing how they will not return to San Diego for vacation b/c of the ban. People go on vacation to relax AND have fun, we need to make our beaches inviting to EVERYONE and ALL TYPES.
- There is primarily
ONE SPOT that drunkeness and rowdiness was a major problem at, that was the area around Reed St as most people are aware of. The vast majority of PB and MB were not problems. Go anywhere north of the Pier or the Lifeguard Tower at the end of Grand or south of Tower 20/21 and it was as peaceful and quiet as it is today. No need for a blanket ban when one areas was the main trouble spot. Parents don't take their kids to the French Quarter during Mardi Gras and instead are Uptown, people need to use the same common sense in their judgment and not take their kids to Reed St, which is pretty much what families already did.
- There are 70+ miles of coastline in San Diego where alcohol is not a problem and never was. There is nothing stopping people from frequenting those beaches
- Pacific Beach is what it is whether or not you agree or like it's lifestyle and atmosphere or not. If you want a quiet beach experience then going to an URBAN BEACH neighborhood is not the place for that. People do not go to Waikiki or South Beach to relax in a quiet setting. Pacific Beach and Mission Beach are San Diego's version of Waikiki and South Beach. I understand a lot of people don't like PB for what it is, but guess what? Many in PB do not like boring San Diego suburbia for what it is either. People here don't go into suburban neighborhoods trying to impose their beliefs and lifestyles on others so what gives others from outside the community the right to do the same?? To each their own and we should try to
maintain the DIVERSITY of neighborhoods in SD instead of trying to make them all like boring, North County suburbs.
- The world does not revolve around families and their children. I like children and respect that some area should be family friendly for kids BUT there are already plenty of areas like that in San Diego. Coronado was named #1 family beach in the US by the Travel Channel. Pretty much every inch of sand away from Reed St in family friendly.
89% of households in the 92109 zip code (PB and MB) do not have children. 67% of all households in the city of San Diego do not have children. Therefor I don't appreciate politicians and Prop D backers holding up their children to try to get support, that "its for the children" argument is really old and hypocritical b/c you all should remember what it's like to be young hopefully. A lot of people that enjoyed PB in their youth are older now and forget what they were like at that age and are being hypocritical.
- Just
enforce EXISTING laws and none of this will be a problem\
Below are recommendations of the Beach Alcohol Task force,
none of which support a ban:
http://www.noonpropd.org/docs/2007_B...mendations.pdf
That is my view on this issue and you can try to argue any of my points but I am sticking with what I posted
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