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Old 08-31-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Guns going in. Drugs coming out. Kidnappings, rapes, extortion. Reminds me of Prohibition, in a way.

Attack on bar in Cancun leaves 8 dead - World news - Americas - Focus on Mexico - msnbc.com

I joined the Air Force in 1990. I worked in Japan in '91, and a few years after. I joined to serve my country. I was ready to go to war. I wasn't looking forward to it, but I was ready if I was called.

So, I'm talking to this guy about people dying in the war and he's like, "Well, at least we're not killing them." and I said, "Sure we are." and he's like, "No, we're sitting here." and I'm like "Yep, sitting here making sure these communications lines stay up, so the orders to the ships and the jets make it through, so the jets will know where to fly and where to bomb, and so they can kill some people. Without us, it wouldn't be possible." And he's like, "I never thought of it like that."

Same guy. Hated gays. I told him, "I wish more people were gay. I wish 99 percent of all men were gay." And he's like "Why, are you gay or sumptin'?" and I'm like , "Nope. If 99 percent of all men were gay, that would mean ugly mother******s like me would have a chance at some really hot chicks." It took him a minute, but he got the point.

This war on drugs. It's not a war.

It's a joke. It's a travesty. It's a failed social experiment. People have been getting high in multitudes of ways for 1000's of years. I would call that pretty much ingrained behaviour

What this charade does do, though, is it does make it possible for some very bad people to have a lot of money. These people will eventually run out of people to kill and terrorize. Then, they will start looking at us. In some states, they already have. I wish America would just starve the beast by making this junk legal. All of it. Legalize everything. Let families, pastors, community centers and the police handle people who can't handle themselves. The U.S. would not implode. It would actually be stronger.

Would some people go overboard? And possibly die. Sure.
Would some not? Sure.

Drugs are here now. This problem in a Cancun bar. It's all connected. By buying Mexican drugs we make it possible for these calculating monsters to be able to kill and hurt even more people. By incarcerating our citizens and giving them a criminal record for life for a few moments of pleasure, we create our own sub-class of servants for our society. "Hey! Thought you'd get a job doing something cool? Nope! You've got a drug record! You'll be digging ditches or washing cars for the REST OF YOUR LIFE." By having so much drug money available to "fight the war", you're also incentivizing your police force and judicial system to put and have as many people in the system as possible. What the hell kind of society does this?

We're becoming a nation of criminals - or as in the case of red light cameras - the government NEEDS people to break the law so the government can get PAID, ostensibly to take better care of it's PEOPLE.

I can see it. Why can't the government see it? Why can't every one see it?

Why?

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Old 08-31-2010, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Guns going in. Drugs coming out. Kidnappings, rapes, extortion. Reminds me of Prohibition, in a way.

Attack on bar in Cancun leaves 8 dead - World news - Americas - Focus on Mexico - msnbc.com

I joined the Air Force in 1990. I worked in Japan in '91, and a few years after. I joined to serve my country. I was ready to go to war. I wasn't looking forward to it, but I was ready if I was called.

So, I'm talking to this guy about people dying in the war and he's like, "Well, at least we're not killing them." and I said, "Sure we are." and he's like, "No, we're sitting here." and I'm like "Yep, sitting here making sure these communications lines stay up, so the orders to the ships and the jets make it through, so the jets will know where to fly and where to bomb, and so they can kill some people. Without us, it wouldn't be possible." And he's like, "I never thought of it like that."

Same guy. Hated gays. I told him, "I wish more people were gay. I wish 99 percent of all men were gay." And he's like "Why, are you gay or sumptin'?" and I'm like , "Nope. If 99 percent of all men were gay, that would mean ugly mother******s like me would have a chance at some really hot chicks." It took him a minute, but he got the point.

This war on drugs. It's not a war.

It's a joke. It's a travesty. It's a failed social experiment. People have been getting high in multitudes of ways for 1000's of years. I would call that pretty much ingrained behaviour

What this charade does do, though, is it does make it possible for some very bad people to have a lot of money. These people will eventually run out of people to kill and terrorize. Then, they will start looking at us. In some states, they already have. I wish America would just starve the beast by making this junk legal. All of it. Legalize everything. Let families, pastors, community centers and the police handle people who can't handle themselves. The U.S. would not implode. It would actually be stronger.

Would some people go overboard? And possibly die. Sure.
Would some not? Sure.

Drugs are here now. This problem in a Cancun bar. It's all connected. By buying Mexican drugs we make it possible for these calculating monsters to be able to kill and hurt even more people. By incarcerating our citizens and giving them a criminal record for life for a few moments of pleasure, we create our own sub-class of servants for our society. "Hey! Thought you'd get a job doing something cool? Nope! You've got a drug record! You'll be digging ditches or washing cars for the REST OF YOUR LIFE." By having so much drug money available to "fight the war", you're also incentivizing your police force and judicial system to put and have as many people in the system as possible. What the hell kind of society does this?

We're becoming a nation of criminals - or as in the case of red light cameras - the government NEEDS people to break the law so the government can get PAID, ostensibly to take better care of it's PEOPLE.

I can see it. Why can't the government see it? Why can't every one see it?

Why?
What kind of idiot has to take drugs in the first place? I consider all illegal drug users to be traitors to America, given the horrible economic shape the country is in and the cost to fight the drug war. Not to mention they have blood on their hands by proping up the Mexican cartels.

A secure border fence would stop 97% of the drug importation and bankrupt the cartels. They would no longer have any reason to fight each other and kill thousands of innocents. This could be done for a few billion dollars, but what the heck, it is just another shovel ready stimulus project.

People who want to legalize drugs just don't care about the staggering amount of child abuse that would result from addict parents.

America is circling the toilet bowl and will soon be flushed away.
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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Guns going in. Drugs coming out. Kidnappings, rapes, extortion. Reminds me of Prohibition, in a way.

Attack on bar in Cancun leaves 8 dead - World news - Americas - Focus on Mexico - msnbc.com

I joined the Air Force in 1990. I worked in Japan in '91, and a few years after. I joined to serve my country. I was ready to go to war. I wasn't looking forward to it, but I was ready if I was called.

So, I'm talking to this guy about people dying in the war and he's like, "Well, at least we're not killing them." and I said, "Sure we are." and he's like, "No, we're sitting here." and I'm like "Yep, sitting here making sure these communications lines stay up, so the orders to the ships and the jets make it through, so the jets will know where to fly and where to bomb, and so they can kill some people. Without us, it wouldn't be possible." And he's like, "I never thought of it like that."

Same guy. Hated gays. I told him, "I wish more people were gay. I wish 99 percent of all men were gay." And he's like "Why, are you gay or sumptin'?" and I'm like , "Nope. If 99 percent of all men were gay, that would mean ugly mother******s like me would have a chance at some really hot chicks." It took him a minute, but he got the point.

This war on drugs. It's not a war.

It's a joke. It's a travesty. It's a failed social experiment. People have been getting high in multitudes of ways for 1000's of years. I would call that pretty much ingrained behaviour

What this charade does do, though, is it does make it possible for some very bad people to have a lot of money. These people will eventually run out of people to kill and terrorize. Then, they will start looking at us. In some states, they already have. I wish America would just starve the beast by making this junk legal. All of it. Legalize everything. Let families, pastors, community centers and the police handle people who can't handle themselves. The U.S. would not implode. It would actually be stronger.

Would some people go overboard? And possibly die. Sure.
Would some not? Sure.

Drugs are here now. This problem in a Cancun bar. It's all connected. By buying Mexican drugs we make it possible for these calculating monsters to be able to kill and hurt even more people. By incarcerating our citizens and giving them a criminal record for life for a few moments of pleasure, we create our own sub-class of servants for our society. "Hey! Thought you'd get a job doing something cool? Nope! You've got a drug record! You'll be digging ditches or washing cars for the REST OF YOUR LIFE." By having so much drug money available to "fight the war", you're also incentivizing your police force and judicial system to put and have as many people in the system as possible. What the hell kind of society does this?

We're becoming a nation of criminals - or as in the case of red light cameras - the government NEEDS people to break the law so the government can get PAID, ostensibly to take better care of it's PEOPLE.

I can see it. Why can't the government see it? Why can't every one see it?

Why?
Does driving your car and using all those petroleum based products support Muslim extremism?

Does buying all that "Made In China" products and clothing help make China on of the fastest growing economies in the world while many Americans can't find a job?

Pick your poision, America is being bled dry and there are two choices. Change or fall.
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:11 PM
 
Location: On Top
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Nope I grow my own....
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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So is supporting the small agribiz workers in Humboldt County a good thing?
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Does driving your car and using all those petroleum based products support Muslim extremism?

Does buying all that "Made In China" products and clothing help make China on of the fastest growing economies in the world while many Americans can't find a job?

Pick your poision, America is being bled dry and there are two choices. Change or fall.


Your absolutely right!
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:17 PM
 
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Nope I grow my own....
Actually there is compelling case to be made for making marijuana legal, letting people grow it, and taxing it. Growing it would allow people to make money. Taxing it would allow the government to add revenue.

No government has EVER been able to control people's morality. If people want drugs, gambling, prostitution and other vices they will seek them out. The harder government makes it to access these vices the more expensive they become and the more it enriches criminals.
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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Actually there is compelling case to be made for making marijuana legal<snip>
Smoking marijuana does help relieve a certain amount of pain, a small but well-designed Canadian
study has found.

People who suffer chronic neuropathic or nerve pain from damage or dysfunction of the nervous
system have few treatment options with varying degrees of effectiveness and side-effects.

Neuropathic pain is caused by damage to nerves that don't repair, which can make the skin sensitive
to a light touch.

Read more: CBC News - Health - Smoking marijuana relieves some pain: study
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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Does driving your car and using all those petroleum based products support Muslim extremism?
Perhaps in the wildest tangential manner it might, but that is hardly analogous to the purchases of illegal drugs which flow through drug producing and trafficing networks.

By purchasing illegal drugs, despite one's self interest in denying culpability, you are without a shadow of doubt indirectly fueling the drug trade and the violence that results.
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Old 08-31-2010, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Perhaps in the wildest tangential manner it might, but that is hardly analogous to the purchases of illegal drugs which flow through drug producing and trafficing networks.

By purchasing illegal drugs, despite one's self interest in denying culpability, you are without a shadow of doubt indirectly fueling the drug trade and the violence that results.
True with hard drugs.

Marijuana's market is as close to a market with pure competition as any in existence, the barriers to entry are very low, and it's virtually impossible for any one force to dominate the market. Hard drugs are very different, they are generally handled by organized crime networks.

BTW, the easiest way to stop drug money from financing cartels and terrorists is to LEGALIZE.
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