Are we fighting islam? Or terror? (generations, lawyer, speech, cost)

[Boxcar Overkill]

Rather than fight for our freedoms, Petraeus' plan is for American's too give up all the freedoms that upset the Muslims.

(Most importantly here, our right to express ourselves.)

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

Rather than fight for our freedoms, Petraeus' plan is for American's too give up all the freedoms that upset the Muslims.

(Most importantly here, our right to express ourselves.)

That seems to be the case.

TO protect our freedoms,it is best to not express them openly in case we offend crazy people.

[HistorianDude]

As far as "expressing our freedoms," some expressions of that freedom are more high minded than simple p*nis waving.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

How about he fight for the American's right to free expression, and not try to appease our enemy.

Neither are actually at risk.

[LetsRock]

Originally Posted by Wapasha

Islam, the religion of peace.

I have stopped counting the many ways that we infidels can enrage average Muslims followers and religious leaders into calling for our heads, or the deaths of our children.

There will only be peace when THEY are the only ones left.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by LetsRock

There will only be peace when THEY are the only ones left.

Not even then.

[Boxcar Overkill]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

Neither are actually at risk.

The burning of a religious text is primarily a matter of free expression.

The objection to that burning was that it would incite violence by Muslims.

Accordingly, the right to free expression is being threatened by hostile and irrational Islamist. The solution being proposed is to appease the Islamist, and forfeit the right to expression.


You don't not believe in liberalism if you believe religious groups can rightfully quash criticizem with threats of violence.

More so if you blame the ensuing violence on the person exercising his rights, rather than on the irrational violent religious group.

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

The burning of a religious text is primarily a matter of free expression.

The objection to that burning was that it would incite violence by Muslims.

Accordingly, the right to free expression is being threatened by hostile and irrational Islamist. The solution being proposed is to appease the Islamist, and forfeit the right to expression.


You don't not believe in liberalism if you believe religious groups can rightfully quash criticizem with threats of violence.

More so if you blame the ensuing violence on the person exercising his rights, rather than on the irrational violent religious group.

This seems lost on some...

I wonder if those involved in the Civil Rights movement who knew there would be violence by their actions are seen in the same light by some???

[HappyTexan]

It's starting to look to me like we're fighting ourselves...

Those in favor of pacifying the Muslims and those who are in favor of exercising our rights.

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

It's starting to look to me like we're fighting ourselves...

Those in favor of pacifying the Muslims and those who are in favor of exercising our rights.

There have always been those willing to climb inside the cattle car....