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Old 09-23-2010, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Actually, you are incorrect. Republicans have managed to "cut taxes" from time to time, but the voters always put too many Democrats into office who are the ones that spend! They manage to attach spending "crapola!" to very necessary bills such as our Military budget that Presidents basically have to sign or the Military doesn't get any $'s.

Now, when we manage to make Congress bring forth bills that ONLY address ONE subject and ONE subject only, that will go a long way to stopping the foolish spending. At least that's a good start.

Republicans spend money as fast as the dems. They both stink when it comes to spending. I'm not buying this new 'pledge' one second after seeing how they betrayed the voters after the 'contract'.

How do you think Bush, and Republican Congress doubled the national debt if they didn't spend money?

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Old 09-23-2010, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Actually, you are incorrect. Republicans have managed to "cut taxes" from time to time, but the voters always put too many Democrats into office who are the ones that spend! They manage to attach spending "crapola!" to very necessary bills such as our Military budget that Presidents basically have to sign or the Military doesn't get any $'s.

Republicans don't support Republicans who "really" want to reduce spending....


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Gates had pledged earlier to cut the operating budget of the military to offset the costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and rising domestic spending.

Gates described his initiative as just the beginning in his hunt for inefficiencies across the Defense Department, which commands an annual budget of nearly $700 billion including war spending.

“The department must start setting priorities, making real trade-offs and separating appetites from real requirements,’’ Gates said.

Gates vowed to review every corner of the budget, including the military’s rising health care costs. “There are no sacred cows,’’ Gates said.

In addition to shutting down Joint Forces Command, Gates wants to:

■ Trim by 10 percent the budget for contractors who support the Defense Department.

■ Freeze the number of employees working for his office, defense agencies, and combatant commands for the next three years.

■ Cut at least 50 general and flag officer positions and 150 senior civilian executive positions over the next two years.
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Old 09-23-2010, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Clearwater Florida
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No one should believe for one second that electing Republicans back to a majority will solve any of our problems, but the fact that a Tea Party broke out due to the Democrats becamming deaf in their rise to power, is reason enough to give the elephants an opportunity. If we end up going through another couple of years of nonsense with them, we'll have to really go Europe and come up with some new political factions. When both sides come to the determination that we're ignorant and gullable, it will be US that pay, again.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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remember when we had a balanced budget....way back in 2000? then george w took office and put us back in a deficit by "temporarily" cutting taxes. undoing that mistake seems to be in order, whether or not that is a part of republicans road map to nowhere. and if republicans were serious about being a "low tax" country then they would cut spending...the REAL spending - defense, entitlements, not write stupid pledges about reshuffling two or three percent of the federal budget. the fact is you can't cut taxes without cutting spending - and i'm talking the real bucks here, not the nonsense they are talking about now.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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When Republican's agreed to "temporarily" cut taxes, didn't they understand they'd eventually have to go back to where they were.

Maybe the Republicans just don't didn't understand.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Clearwater Florida
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remember when we had a balanced budget....way back in 2000? then george w took office and put us back in a deficit by "temporarily" cutting taxes. undoing that mistake seems to be in order, whether or not that is a part of republicans road map to nowhere. and if republicans were serious about being a "low tax" country then they would cut spending...the REAL spending - defense, entitlements, not write stupid pledges about reshuffling two or three percent of the federal budget. the fact is you can't cut taxes without cutting spending - and i'm talking the real bucks here, not the nonsense they are talking about now.
Alan Greenspan made a case that "deficits don't matter", George listened. George owns the fact that someone drilled him in a reality that VETO is a four letter word, he obviously took it very seriously. The elephants were spending like drunken sailors, followed by the Democrats, doing the same. The difference being, Bush didn't VETO anything!!!!!! He didn't initiate the spending (unless you feel his compelling of Congress to go to war was enough). With majorities in both houses, the speed and depth of spending and regulation have overwhelmed what the economy could take, especially with Obama's own agenda added to the mix.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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remember when we had a balanced budget....way back in 2000? then george w took office and put us back in a deficit by "temporarily" cutting taxes. undoing that mistake seems to be in order, whether or not that is a part of republicans road map to nowhere. and if republicans were serious about being a "low tax" country then they would cut spending...the REAL spending - defense, entitlements, not write stupid pledges about reshuffling two or three percent of the federal budget. the fact is you can't cut taxes without cutting spending - and i'm talking the real bucks here, not the nonsense they are talking about now.
Agreed...cut defense and entitlements. Everything else is a gimmick.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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How do you think Bush, and Republican Congress doubled the national debt if they didn't spend money?


After Bill Clinton raped the military & homeland defense down to nothing. It stands to reason, some money was going to need to be spent to get the military back in shape, after 9-11. But you would never understand that. You do realize Clinton destroyed our military, that Reagan had built, in order to cut government spending. Look how the weak get attacked. We got our asses handed to us on 9-11, even after the bombing of the WTC and the CIA in 93 under Clinton's watch.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Seems the peldge has some specifics. Do you care to discuss those specofics?
Yes!

If you'd care to be more specific about the specifics you have in mind.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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After Bill Clinton raped the military & homeland defense down to nothing. It stands to reason, some money was going to need to be spent to get the military back in shape, after 9-11. But you would never understand that. You do realize Clinton destroyed our military, that Reagan had built, in order to cut government spending. Look how the weak get attacked. We got our asses handed to us on 9-11, even after the bombing of the WTC and the CIA in 93 under Clinton's watch.
Didn't someone just say it was the Republicans who balanced the budget, not Clinton . Then it must have been the Republicans who raped the military.

You can't have it both ways.

So, who balanced the budget, and who raped the military?

If you think the military could have stopped 9/11 then you obviously do not understand that military is not, and never was, in charge of luggage checks at airports. Bush may have tripeled military spending, but the military is still not in charge of it. No, our military did not have their asses handed to them, our military invaded and occupied two countries with what that had, and had no absolutely trouble doing it.

Your argument is naivie, and dishonest and your attitude is disrespectful.
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