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Old 09-29-2010, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Word Traveler via Haslet TX.
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Dwight Eisenhower made no bones about it when speaking of the Military Industrial Complex, a direct threat to our country and democracy. He was open, honest and frank about it and we paid no heed.

FDR (who I somewhat admire) actually took on the enemies of America but he was from that class and in the end refused to pull the trigger when General Smedly Butler ratted out the robber barons plan for a coupe. FDR did our country a big disservice because the snakes he let slide out the back door have come back to whoop our @$ses soundly.

Their money and influence on the media ETC has us chasing our tails while they bleed this country dry. Not one war or major engagement since WWII has been honorable or for the right reasons. Repeat not one war or major engagement since WWII has been honorable or for the right reasons.

Funny, a Bush would have eventually been the leader of this country whether we won or lost WWII to the germans as Prescot Bush, Henry Ford and others were playing both sides and supporting the Germans also. Because of their money and influence these traitors were not arrested and hung.

They are back now and the war is about over and we have lost. They had to suffer through the period of a vibrant middle class that had upward mobility, but now they have us where they want us.

This is NOT a Dem vs Rep thread this is an:
America vs. The transnational corporations
America vs. Facism
America vs. Feudalism
America vs. Robber Barons
America vs. Bush Sr's and B. Clintons New world order.
America vs. Social engineering via the Muslim threat fear.

Its time for this country to fold unto itself and clean house before we emerge again on the world stage. It can be done but its like chemo therapy, the transnationals are so much apart of our country its going to hurt like hell to seperate them from us. But if we dont do what is necessary our chances for survival is nil.
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Old 09-29-2010, 03:55 PM
 
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Dwight Eisenhower made no bones about it when speaking of the Military Industrial Complex, a direct threat to our country and democracy. He was open, honest and frank about it and we paid no heed.

FDR (who I somewhat admire) actually took on the enemies of America but he was from that class and in the end refused to pull the trigger when General Smedly Butler ratted out the robber barons plan for a coupe. FDR did our country a big disservice because the snakes he let slide out the back door have come back to whoop our @$ses soundly.

Their money and influence on the media ETC has us chasing our tails while they bleed this country dry. Not one war or major engagement since WWII has been honorable or for the right reasons. Repeat not one war or major engagement since WWII has been honorable or for the right reasons.

Funny, a Bush would have eventually been the leader of this country whether we won or lost WWII to the germans as Prescot Bush, Henry Ford and others were playing both sides and supporting the Germans also. Because of their money and influence these traitors were not arrested and hung.

They are back now and the war is about over and we have lost. They had to suffer through the period of a vibrant middle class that had upward mobility, but now they have us where they want us.

This is NOT a Dem vs Rep thread this is an:
America vs. The transnational corporations
America vs. Facism
America vs. Feudalism
America vs. Robber Barons
America vs. Bush Sr's and B. Clintons New world order.
America vs. Social engineering via the Muslim threat fear.

Its time for this country to fold unto itself and clean house before we emerge again on the world stage. It can be done but its like chemo therapy, the transnationals are so much apart of our country its going to hurt like hell to seperate them from us. But if we dont do what is necessary our chances for survival is nil.
You're too late, the corporations and super-rich own America lock stock and barrel. Don't think so? The biggest financial institutions when to Congress and asked for $800 billion dollars or the economy goes into a black hole the likes of which this country has never seen. What could Congress and the President Bush do but pony up the money.

The special interest groups, corporate lobbyist, the rich and corporations are now more powerful than the United States Government. The America of "By the people and for the people" is dead. America is now "By the corporations and rich and for the corporations and rich".
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:22 PM
 
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Frankly, no president since 1933 can be trusted. And the electorate has no real comprehension of the form of government currently in power in the USA.

Here's a logic test to expose how well you've been indoctrinated.

13th Amendment abolished slavery in the United States of America.

Supreme court ruled that compulsory civic duties (i.e., militia duty - conscription) is NOT involuntary servitude banned by the 13th amendment.

Did you recall when you knowingly volunteered to be obligated to perform civic duties - and suffer penalties for your failure?

Either conscription is involuntary servitude (which the supremes say it isn't) or you volunteered.

Either you have a right to life, liberty and property or you waived your rights, and became obligated to train, fight, and die on command.

If you do not know, you do not know which government you serve.
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:26 PM
 
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You're too late, the corporations and super-rich own America lock stock and barrel. Don't think so? The biggest financial institutions when to Congress and asked for $800 billion dollars or the economy goes into a black hole the likes of which this country has never seen. What could Congress and the President Bush do but pony up the money.

The special interest groups, corporate lobbyist, the rich and corporations are now more powerful than the United States Government. The America of "By the people and for the people" is dead. America is now "By the corporations and rich and for the corporations and rich".

How do you propose we fix it?

And

Watch what you say because of the Patriot act and alot of other grabs at power it dont take much to be classified as a terrorists. People used to call me crazy when I said those new warrantless wiretap laws etc wasnt for the terrorists, They are for us for when we finally figure out in large numbers that we have been bamboozled.
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:28 PM
 
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Frankly, no president since 1933 can be trusted. And the electorate has no real comprehension of the form of government currently in power in the USA.

Here's a logic test to expose how well you've been indoctrinated.

13th Amendment abolished slavery in the United States of America.

Supreme court ruled that compulsory civic duties (i.e., militia duty - conscription) is NOT involuntary servitude banned by the 13th amendment.

Did you recall when you knowingly volunteered to be obligated to perform civic duties - and suffer penalties for your failure?

Either conscription is involuntary servitude (which the supremes say it isn't) or you volunteered.

Either you have a right to life, liberty and property or you waived your rights, and became obligated to train, fight, and die on command.

If you do not know, you do not know which government you serve.

Deep!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly I can-not speak on that right now I would need to actually do some research on the subject. Thanks for giving me something to look over.

Killa-P
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:31 PM
 
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I'm so glad you're saying all this but it's actually bigger than the corporations themselves trapsing their germs across the globe negatively impacting human relations as species. The compromises made to achieve the power we have as a nation have been co-opted to the detriment of ourselves and our relationship with all other sovereign nations.

Like the OP bringing back our presidents... I think it's clear our monetary system needs complete revision. Lets go back to Hamilton and listen to the arguments against the issuance of stock. In too many ways Americans are at the mercy of abstractions to the 1,000th power that it's reached intolerable levels in liberals and conservatives alike-- we are only having our attention misdirected by 2 party system viewing themselves as adversaries instead of parents. Washington issued warnings about that phenomena as well. Take heed that warning.

The license we have issued corporations needs to be revoked. They are not human beings entitled to a vote. Legal language needs a smack upside the head because no American in their right mind would vote for it if they knew what it was they were signing.

The legalized corruption ruling every elected official in America needs to end. Votes are not for sale at the polls, and they're not for sale in congress. Terrorists- if you knew what the real villain was you would have aimed at K street, not the pentagon. Dumbass you might have even articulated in speech exactly what evil you saw directly to the American public and we would have swept our own porch ourselves.

The right to free speech does not entitle anyone to lie with impunity. Suppressing material facts should be treated as malevolent slander with stiff penalty.

The free press needs restoration with Journalist standards enforced in the same spirit our military abides UCMJ. It IS a discipline and needs restoration. Editorial responsibility: Opinions should be as clearly delineated as if a librarian were sorting out fiction from non fiction. No more BS. If it means you have an entire section of a newspaper under the banner of "Pure speculation", so be it. At least that's truth in advertisement.
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Word Traveler via Haslet TX.
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I'm so glad you're saying all this but it's actually bigger than the corporations themselves trapsing their germs across the globe negatively impacting human relations as species. The compromises made to achieve the power we have as a nation have been co-opted to the detriment of ourselves and our relationship with all other sovereign nations.

Like the OP bringing back our presidents... I think it's clear our monetary system needs complete revision. Lets go back to Hamilton and listen to the arguments against the issuance of stock. In too many ways Americans are at the mercy of abstractions to the 1,000th power that it's reached intolerable levels in liberals and conservatives alike-- we are only having our attention misdirected by 2 party system viewing themselves as adversaries instead of parents. Washington issued warnings about that phenomena as well. Take heed that warning.

The license we have issued corporations needs to be revoked. They are not human beings entitled to a vote. Legal language needs a smack upside the head because no American in their right mind would vote for it if they knew what it was they were signing.

The legalized corruption ruling every elected official in America needs to end. Votes are not for sale at the polls, and they're not for sale in congress. Terrorists- if you knew what the real villain was you would have aimed at K street, not the pentagon. Dumbass you might have even articulated in speech exactly what evil you saw directly to the American public and we would have swept our own porch ourselves.

The right to free speech does not entitle anyone to lie with impunity. Suppressing material facts should be treated as malevolent slander with stiff penalty.

The free press needs restoration with Journalist standards enforced in the same spirit our military abides UCMJ. It IS a discipline and needs restoration. Editorial responsibility: Opinions should be as clearly delineated as if a librarian were sorting out fiction from non fiction. No more BS. If it means you have an entire section of a newspaper under the banner of "Pure speculation", so be it. At least that's truth in advertisement.

Beautiful, but alas things of substane such as this won't garner as much attention as the threads full of name calling and trying to prove which party is the bad party when the truth is both of them are phu*%ing us royally. Are we doomed to this or is there a way to turn things around. These folks are powerful, they spattered the brains of a president in broad daylight and gave an explanation that defies the laws of physics and we have been scared every since.
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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[b]Not one war or major engagement since WWII has been honorable or for the right reasons. Repeat not one war or major engagement since WWII has been honorable or for the right reasons.
There wasn't one before except for the War for Independence.
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Old 09-29-2010, 09:26 PM
 
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With Jimmy Carter the CFR got into the Executive Branch and has stayed there since.
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Old 09-29-2010, 10:46 PM
 
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I'm so glad you're saying all this but it's actually bigger than the corporations themselves trapsing their germs across the globe negatively impacting human relations as species. The compromises made to achieve the power we have as a nation have been co-opted to the detriment of ourselves and our relationship with all other sovereign nations.

Like the OP bringing back our presidents... I think it's clear our monetary system needs complete revision. Lets go back to Hamilton and listen to the arguments against the issuance of stock. In too many ways Americans are at the mercy of abstractions to the 1,000th power that it's reached intolerable levels in liberals and conservatives alike-- we are only having our attention misdirected by 2 party system viewing themselves as adversaries instead of parents. Washington issued warnings about that phenomena as well. Take heed that warning.

The license we have issued corporations needs to be revoked. They are not human beings entitled to a vote. Legal language needs a smack upside the head because no American in their right mind would vote for it if they knew what it was they were signing.

The legalized corruption ruling every elected official in America needs to end. Votes are not for sale at the polls, and they're not for sale in congress. Terrorists- if you knew what the real villain was you would have aimed at K street, not the pentagon. Dumbass you might have even articulated in speech exactly what evil you saw directly to the American public and we would have swept our own porch ourselves.

The right to free speech does not entitle anyone to lie with impunity. Suppressing material facts should be treated as malevolent slander with stiff penalty.

The free press needs restoration with Journalist standards enforced in the same spirit our military abides UCMJ. It IS a discipline and needs restoration. Editorial responsibility: Opinions should be as clearly delineated as if a librarian were sorting out fiction from non fiction. No more BS. If it means you have an entire section of a newspaper under the banner of "Pure speculation", so be it. At least that's truth in advertisement.
As always .. you can be counted on for an insightful view. Unfortunately, 3/4 of the population cannot even understand what you just said.
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