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Old 10-13-2010, 08:47 PM
 
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Like the largest defense budget in the world? Like another trillion dollars poured into the sands of the poisonous middle east? Like selling our Saudi allies 50 billion worth of high-tech military gear (the same steadfast allies that supplied 80% of the 9/11 crew? Or another 10 billion to our true-blue friends the Pakistanis so they can send it on to the Afghans we are fighting? While our own infrastructure crumbles?)

HappyTex, most times I agree with you but on this one, how can we even begin to discuss spending and the economy without putting our military spending first and foremost?

Given that the Repubs attempt to position themselves as the party of national security (and the Dems feel compelled to demonstrate their own manliness by urging their own military misadventures), I don't see how either party will bring us fiscal sanity, let alone an escape from our military nightmares that are promising long and expensive hangovers.

We can cut the DOD contracts. There are other defense spending cuts that can happen W/O sacrificing anything.
Finding that person who will fix the problem will be the key
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Old 10-13-2010, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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From the words of Pete Townshend, Mod, Proto-punk, Hall of Famer :"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Any party... ANY party elected will do what every political party in this nation's history has always done: attempt to keep itself in power. They will do this by pandering to the voter, governing according the polls, reinforcing and nurturing a donor network, raising money from day one of their period in office, etc.

If you think the Tea Party is different, well there's no immunity from DC in a cup of tea. The Libertarians? They would be the first to join the crowd. The Constitution Party? They would sell the Constitution and God to stay number one. The Greenies? Their name and the the color of money is no coincidence.

Just saying... that's my opinion.
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:00 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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To stop this liberal madness the current Congress has been imposing on us we have to elect conservatives.
There are not so many conservatives in the Democratic party so...
It is not liberal madness or conservative madness, it is corporate madness. It is JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs and McDonald Douglas and Lockheed Martin that are benefiting from the madness. They are the ones pulling the strings in Washington regardless of which party is in office because they own both parties. Each party is 1/2 of the overall agenda. The only way to turn government is to reject both parties and to vote for people who have not already been bought and paid for. We will not be the country of the people that we were intended to be until we break the umbilical cord between government and corporate lobbyist.
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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From the words of Pete Townshend, Mod, Proto-punk, Hall of Famer :"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Any party... ANY party elected will do what every political party in this nation's history has always done: attempt to keep itself in power. They will do this by pandering to the voter, governing according the polls, reinforcing and nurturing a donor network, raising money from day one of their period in office, etc.

If you think the Tea Party is different, well there's no immunity from DC in a cup of tea. The Libertarians? They would be the first to join the crowd. The Constitution Party? They would sell the Constitution and God to stay number one. The Greenies? Their name and the the color of money is no coincidence.

Just saying... that's my opinion.
The only thing I see wrong with your statement is that the political process does not pander to the voter; it panders to corporate interests, and brainwashes the voters. Just look at the posts in this thread. They have got the sheeple so brainwashed they fight among themselves to defend the people who are screwing them. Welfare and warfare are 2 sides of the same agenda. By having the people divided and conquered, the corporations can peruse their agendas without fear of the populous uniting and putting a stop to it.
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