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You call yourself egalitarian in the same posting that you state your preference is for non-Europeans. It matters not to you that in a short few paragraphs you reveal yourself as not being who you so admiringly insist you are. It is obvious you have adopted a worldview without serious examination: you are a narcissistic leftist, a person whose ultimate belief is that he or she is egalitarian. Realities do not matter; its all about how you perceive yourself.
To sum your worldview up: Western cultures and non-Western cultures are equal, but non-Western cultures are better. And you still believe you are egalitarian. Quite the magic show.
Egalitarian does not mean making peoples identical. I don't like that bossy way the West has displayed during the past couple of centuries. Thus I am egalitarian in the sense that I wand other cultures to emancipate themselves and catch up in the areas where it makes sense. At the moment Africa for instance has not solved its huge problems yet, thus it does not have the same weight in negotiations etc., thus it is still being exploited. I want that to end, it's that simple.
Still, even then Africans won't be like Europeans, hopefully, and I do not want Africans to become like Europeans or the the other way, unless they move to the other continent for good.
I like the different mentalities etc., and of course I do like some more than others.
Do you think the people of Somali culture will open their doors to some all american girl in a bikini, or a pom pom outfit with her skirt hiked way up high? I doubt it.
Again, I don't see that anti-Western = leftist connection. You assume the West is politically one block, but it is not. Here in Portugal we have a socialist government and the population is also pretty left-wing, still it is a Western country.
Politics has little to do with behavior. Portugal just like the US or Germany has a lot of blood on its hands. Bad behavior can come from anyone, no matter what their political views or skin color.
I do think that people of European descent have been particularly nasty for the past couple of centuries, especially towards non-European people, while among them they have made great progress.
Your view that non-Western culture (I am not even sure what you mean by Western, it can't be political obviously) perished is simply wrong in my view. Actually non-Western cultures have been on the rise for quite some time now and will continue to be.
Not just leftists disdain free markets, just read on this board how conservative Americans hate the free market because of what it has done to the US economy.
Hindu women fought along Hindu men to get rid of the Brits, so I don't think they liked the Brits any more than Hindu men did. It is like always with European people, they are a mixed bag. They may bring some progress, but for the most part they bring distruction on various levels, both deliberately and not.
Yes of course I am on the side of non-European cultures. Not only are almost all my friends non-Europeans, I am always on the side of the weak, the underdogs, etc. It's like with soccer, although I am German, I would keep my fingers crossed for Nigeria or Venezuela or whatever team is playing against Germany. I do that because I am very egalitarian, I don't believe in hierarchy, or your culture-Darwinist views.
No, I have not read about that Somali community. No idea why they moved to Maine, but probably not because they were missing white people so badly. As far as I know there is a lot more crime in Atlanta than in Maine, or maybe they did not get along with African-Americans. Just because they are also black, does not mean they get along with African-Americans. I guess whites from Maine might be the lesser evil to Somalis as Somalis are mostly Muslims and thus might be allergic to the nasty HipHop culture which is quite strong in Atlanta if I am not mistaken.
I know about the problems those asylum seekers have caused in some communites, they mentioned that in the documentary I saw. I guess that is because they don't like and thus don't care about Americans. They were probably happy to get away from Somalia, no matter where to. And frankly I think American authorities did not do a good job integrating them, if they even tried. Even immigrants from Western countries tend to struggle for some time upon arriving in the US. So Ii can imagine how lost Somalis must feel in a culture that is so different from theirs, not to mention the climate.
I don't blame Somalis, though. Their problams are largely the result of Italian and other countries' colonial activities there. Like it or not, almost all current problems (poverty in developing countries, terrorism etc.) are somehow the result of European activities during the past couple of centuries.
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A very fine example of the western culture.
Your decision to jump in the discussion with a swipe at western culture is a curious one given all the peculiarities of non-Western culture you have available to comment on. The suicide bombing attempt by another fine non-Western immigrant out in Oregon this very week comes to mind. Sadly, we are in no short supply of westerners whose mind works as yours does. Bash the West, forgive the rest. Ugh.
[quote=ExitNY;16808799]Your decision to jump in the discussion with a swipe at western culture is a curious one given all the peculiarities of non-Western culture you have available to comment on. The suicide bombing attempt by another fine non-Western immigrant out in Oregon this very week comes to mind. [quote]
You have such a strange notion of what culture is about.
Would you characterize the Columbine High School massacre as "culture".
[quote=henrjam;16809331][quote=ExitNY;16808799]Your decision to jump in the discussion with a swipe at western culture is a curious one given all the peculiarities of non-Western culture you have available to comment on. The suicide bombing attempt by another fine non-Western immigrant out in Oregon this very week comes to mind.
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You have such a strange notion of what culture is about.
Would you characterize the Columbine High School massacre as "culture".
No, I don't. You are blinded by an obsession not to observe, or allow others to observe, that, in general, the Western culture is superior to all others. World migration patterns bear this fact out emphatically. That is subject to change if cultural relativism or anti-Western worldviews consume the West, but we are not there yet.
If the Columbine killers were operating on a Western cultural more that they would be rewarded for their murders, or they were in some other way supported by values widely accepted in Western society, you could consider that cultural. Those aren't the facts with Columbine. The Somali would-be-bomber in Oregon, among many, many other terrorists, WAS operating under his cultural/religious mores. A study from a few years back revealed that a full 25% if AMERICAN Muslims under 30 support suicide bombings.
Get the difference? Are these values, supported by an ASTONISHING percentage of "Americans," merely contributing to our gorgeous mosaic? Or is support of suicide bombing a Western value in your mind?
"A study from a few years back revealed that a full 25% if(of) AMERICAN Muslims under 30 support suicide bombings."
I followed your link and this is what I found.
According to the Pew Research Center poll released late last month, about 25% of American Muslims ages 18 to 19 said, "the use of suicide bombing against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified, at least on rare occasions."
If you want to be taken seriously, pardon me to say, you should first learn to read.
Your decision to jump in the discussion with a swipe at western culture is a curious one given all the peculiarities of non-Western culture you have available to comment on. The suicide bombing attempt by another fine non-Western immigrant out in Oregon this very week comes to mind.
No, I don't. You are blinded by an obsession not to observe, or allow others to observe, that, in general, the Western culture is superior to all others. World migration patterns bear this fact out emphatically. That is subject to change if cultural relativism or anti-Western worldviews consume the West, but we are not there yet.
If the Columbine killers were operating on a Western cultural more that they would be rewarded for their murders, or they were in some other way supported by values widely accepted in Western society, you could consider that cultural. Those aren't the facts with Columbine. The Somali would-be-bomber in Oregon, among many, many other terrorists, WAS operating under his cultural/religious mores. A study from a few years back revealed that a full 25% if AMERICAN Muslims under 30 support suicide bombings.
Get the difference? Are these values, supported by an ASTONISHING percentage of "Americans," merely contributing to our gorgeous mosaic? Or is support of suicide bombing a Western value in your mind?
I'm not hopeful.
Unless your definition of cultural superiority is "where the money is", you're sounding more ignorant by the second. The primary reason people migrate to the US is to make more money than they do back home. Fact. Political asylum and escaping persecution are distant seconds and really only apply to a fraction of immigrants. The #1 reason for most Mexican immigration to America is to make more money and has nothing to do with them rejecting their own culture. Some may try to justify coming here by petting our egos but ultimately its all about the mighty dollar. If China became the richest country overnight then you'd see a huge surge in Americans crossing the pacific, which is beginning to happen as we speak.
Your decision to jump in the discussion with a swipe at western culture is a curious one given all the peculiarities of non-Western culture you have available to comment on. The suicide bombing attempt by another fine non-Western immigrant out in Oregon this very week comes to mind. Sadly, we are in no short supply of westerners whose mind works as yours does. Bash the West, forgive the rest. Ugh.
I don't know what the problem is. I am just objective. Being Western is not my religion or anything. I am myself part of the West and I am realistic enough to see that we have caused a lot of problems. We have also done good things, for instance by means of inventions, but I guess by and large countries outside the West have suffered more under the Western influence and actions than they have benefited.
Nor did I say that people outside the West are angels, in a couple of places they are far from it.
"A study from a few years back revealed that a full 25% if(of) AMERICAN Muslims under 30 support suicide bombings."
I followed your link and this is what I found.
According to the Pew Research Center poll released late last month, about 25% of American Muslims ages 18 to 19 said, "the use of suicide bombing against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified, at least on rare occasions."
If you want to be taken seriously, pardon me to say, you should first learn to read.
I'm not hopeful.
Amazing. You use the following quote in an attempt to infer that I cannot comprehend what I read, and that I should not be taken seriously:
According to the Pew Research Center poll released late last month, about 25% of American Muslims ages 18 to 19 said, "the use of suicide bombing against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified, at least on rare occasions."
What kind of person could read what you quoted and NOT conclude there is a cultural problem here? Taken a step further -- What kind of person would use this quote to discredit someone who recognizes this IS a cultural problem?
It is not a cultural problem, but a religious one. Non-Muslim Arabs are no problem at all.
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