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Going topless is not a right. Do you think we should become a nation of no morals? Do you think as a society that we need people walking around with no clothes on and the effects that would have on our society . If someone wants to walk around nude do so in the privacy of your own home etc
According to the concept of individual liberty, anything that does not directly conflict with the rights of others is my right. So, unless you can show how topless women infringe on your rights, then the only logical conclusion is that toplessness is a right- and moral conservatives have mostly been able to keep people from exercising this right.
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All people - whether conservative or liberal - will have contradictory practices/views in regards to morality and/or immorality. The only consistency I find in people is that they are constantly inconsistent. We have problems with other people's inconsistencies more so than our own.
Going topless is not a right. Do you think we should become a nation of no morals? Do you think as a society that we need people walking around with no clothes on and the effects that would have on our society . If someone wants to walk around nude do so in the privacy of your own home etc
LOL...2nd post. That didn't take long for the hypocrisy to show did it?
I believe in your personal freedom as long as it agrees with mine.
Of course Jadex would likely be up in arms if the government made a law saying that hair, or shoulders, or ankles had to be covered in public.
All people - whether conservative or liberal - will have contradictory practices/views in regards to morality and/or immorality. The only consistency I find in people is that they are constantly inconsistent. We have problems with other people's inconsistencies more so than our own.
I might tend to agree, but I'm trying to get beyond vague generalizations and talk about real-life specifics. I've shown some specific examples of moral conservatives being inconsistent with the idea of individual liberty. Now what are some specific examples of liberals being inconsistent with individual liberty?
(You show me my inconsistencies and I'll show you yours!)
"Society" does not consider nudity obscene; moral conservatives consider nudity obscene, and they have been able to wield enough political power to impose their preferences upon everyone else.
Since when does nudity "force" anything upon anyone? What if you hate the color orange, and I wear an orange shirt?
Republicans are control freaks.
They don't like losing their control to no naked body parts.
That's why burkas are required in true religions.
Republicans are so jealous of Islam they can barely control themselves.
I need some clarification here. Can you give specific examples of how "bigger gov" reduces individual liberties? (I'm not saying you are wrong here; I just want to focus on specific real-world examples rather than vague ideological platitudes.)
It seems to me that some examples of government opposing individual liberty would be:
Laws against public nudity
Laws against growing and smoking pot
Laws against pornography
Laws against prostitution
Laws against selling booze on Sundays
Laws against selling cars on Sundays
Laws against homosexuality (no longer considered Constitutional, but...)
Laws against gay marriage
And so on.
How can you have gov telling you things like you must buy insurance. You can not have a water bottle in a park. Children can not sell cupcakes without a business license and have more personal freedom?
We can not have a lawless society.
I dont understand why so many wants a society without morals and values. We are moving towards that more and more and how has things improved? How is children having children an improvement? How is children growing up without a father an improvement? How is thinking someone should go to work high a good thing?
"Society" does not consider nudity obscene; moral conservatives consider nudity obscene, and they have been able to wield enough political power to impose their preferences upon everyone else.
Since when does nudity "force" anything upon anyone? What if you hate the color orange, and I wear an orange shirt?
Who makes up the society?
Why do you think it is best for a hormonal teenage boy to be walking around looking at adult women breast?
What message does that send to the youth of this country?
Why do some women have no respect for their body because if they think they are being taken seriously and not seen as an object if walking around topless. They are kidding themselves That sets back women rights miles if you ask me. That is saying I dont take myself seriously. I dont see myself as anything more then an object.
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