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You own a business. Are you a Doctor? Probably not. You wouldn't listen to a Dr on how to run your business, you probably aren't in a position to tell them how to run theirs. He doesn't worry about billing, he requires cash up front, unless you are with an Insurance, that he accepts, which is a very small number.
Just because a Doctor YOU see charges 300$ for an office visit, doesn't mean everyone does. Some, who own their own practice, actually have fair rates. His rates on average is 60$ for a basic office visit/checkup. If you injured yourself, and require xrays, it's a bit more, to cover the cost of the xrays, and such. That's a FAR cry from your $300. Not all Doctors are charging outrageous fees.
You make too many assumptions.
So doctors are all men? Just askin'.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
guess you dont understand the DIFFERENCE between FEDERAL and STATE and LOCAL
everything you mentioned state and local
end of lesson
The FBI is local now? Federal student loans are really not federal? The service academies are not federal? There is no federal aid to education, fire services, and law enforcement?
Don't forget "themselves" because essentially, WE are the government, state, federal and local, we the people, remember, they seem to remember that in other countries. Did you see what the peoples reaction to getting the ss age raised in France? They know the government reflects what the people want.
Is it not our fault we don't know how to WORK it?
Since when did Government become a separate entity in America? The majority of people obviously put our faith in the Republicans this time around, well, what do the Republicans plan to do? Leave a lot of ill and uneducated people out on the street or what? I'd just like to know whats in store here. The majority of Republicans are not rich, or educated, so whats the plan stan? How do they feel they will get along without any change in our health care or educational system? Or, do they think whats going on now is workin?
And here it is folks. The typical Democrats are more educated than Republicans lie. If Democrats are so smart, then how come most of their policies are failures?
I have seen this graph before and, IMHO, it is quite telling.
What it shows us is that the quality of health care we get is pretty good and roughly on a par with other developed countries. But the cost of that health care is completely out of control. Either we should be getting a much better outcome for what we are spending or we should be spending a lot less and still getting an average (compared to other developed countries) outcome.
I understand criticisms of the Obama reform based on the increased cost that will bring. But I don't understand the blind adherence of some to a system that is costing far too much for what we are getting out of it. Do idealogical factors completely outweigh good old-fashioned fiscal conservatism?
I have seen this graph before and, IMHO, it is quite telling.
What it shows us is that the quality of health care we get is pretty good and roughly on a par with other developed countries. But the cost of that health care is completely out of control. Either we should be getting a much better outcome for what we are spending or we should be spending a lot less and still getting an average (compared to other developed countries) outcome.
I understand criticisms of the Obama reform based on the increased cost that will bring. But I don't understand the blind adherence of some to a system that is costing far too much for what we are getting out of it. Do idealogical factors completely outweigh good old-fashioned fiscal conservatism?
Staying with what we had is fairly universally accepted as, disaster. When you say you "understand" that the reform will increase costs, that pretty much tells me you do not understand. Costs will rise, we can't stop that. We can, and will, slow it with the reform. The reform will help most individuals with their premiums, which will lower what they would otherwise have to pay.
Staying with what we had is fairly universally accepted as, disaster. When you say you "understand" that the reform will increase costs, that pretty much tells me you do not understand. Costs will rise, we can't stop that. We can, and will, slow it with the reform. The reform will help most individuals with their premiums, which will lower what they would otherwise have to pay.
I'm not sure I accept this. Why can't we look at reforms which will bring costs down ... say to Swiss levels? Why do we have to accept that the average American is getting financially raped by our health care industry?
I'm not sure I accept this. Why can't we look at reforms which will bring costs down ... say to Swiss levels? Why do we have to accept that the average American is getting financially raped by our health care industry?
Nobody is getting financially raped by the HC system. That is pure lies and fear mongering. If you go bankrupt over medical bills, then you didn't do your homework and find another option. I would call that person a lazy quitter. There is ALWAYS an alternative if you put in the footwork. BTW, what is so bad about claiming bankruptcy if you HAD to? Nothing at all. You will still get credit, you can still buy a home and a car. Besides that, if you can't afford your medical bills, you just set up a payment plan with what you CAN afford. They have to accept this by law. If it is something non-life threatening, then you might be SOL and rightfully so, you should PAY for that stuff if you have no insurance. A $60 doctor's office visit isn't a staggering amount. As far as prescriptions go, you can go out and get any type of prescription insurance or plan you want, there are many out there.Don't know a single person that has ever had to claim bankruptcy for medical bills. I know people who OWE medical bills, but they are making payments and are not bankrupt.
I'm not sure I accept this. Why can't we look at reforms which will bring costs down ... say to Swiss levels? Why do we have to accept that the average American is getting financially raped by our health care industry?
ok...doctors MUST work at minimum wage
nurses MUST work at minimum wage
supplies MUST be cheap from china
equipment must be made by the lowest bidder, quality doesnt matter
abolish all unions , because they keep the costs so high
sounds kinda silly doesnt it......hmmmm???
the average hospital spends 380,000 a MONTH just on electricity...that's over 4.5 million a year just to power the building...then you have the custodial workers, and the food workers, and the laundry, and the water....thats before you even talks about technicians, nurses, doctors, and specialists
as the FED, keeps pushing to have inflation at " the optumom level of 5%" what do you think that will do to the costs OF ALL sub services BEFORE any patient even gets to see a doctor?????
what do you think will happen if the liberals ever pass cap and tax????
are you going to tell the maker of the mri machine he cant charge 1 miilion, that he must eat the costs, so the doctor can give you cheaper service????
equipment must be made by the lowest bidder, quality doesnt matter
abolish all unions , because they keep the costs so high
sounds kinda silly doesnt it......hmmmm???
the average hospital spends 380,000 a MONTH just on electricity...that's over 4.5 million a year just to power the building...then you have the custodial workers, and the food workers, and the laundry, and the water....thats before you even talks about technicians, nurses, doctors, and specialists
as the FED, keeps pushing to have inflation at " the optumom level of 5%" what do you think that will do to the costs OF ALL sub services BEFORE any patient even gets to see a doctor?????
what do you think will happen if the liberals ever pass cap and tax????
are you going to tell the maker of the mri machine he cant charge 1 miilion, that he must eat the costs, so the doctor can give you cheaper service????
Oh dear .....
1. Doctors & nurses in the UK or Switzerland do not make minimum wage. In fact, despite UK per capita health costs being 35% of those in the US, UK doctors make around 80% of what US doctors make and don't end up leaving Med school with a couple of hundred thousand dollars of debt.
2. Supplies and equipment are generally sourced from exactly the same places as the US sources its supplies and equipment. It is a global economy and the FDA actually inspects a great many facilities outside the US which is supplying HC in the US.
3. The UK health service is considerably more unionized than the US HC system and yet costs are just 35% of US costs.
4. Cost of utilities and ancillary workers is just as high - if not higher - in Switzerland than it is in the US but their per capita health care costs are almost 50% of ours.
I find it disappointing that so many are happy to keep a status quo which is patently not serving Americans all that well.
1. Doctors & nurses in the UK or Switzerland do not make minimum wage. In fact, despite UK per capita health costs being 35% of those in the US, UK doctors make around 80% of what US doctors make and don't end up leaving Med school with a couple of hundred thousand dollars of debt.
2. Supplies and equipment are generally sourced from exactly the same places as the US sources its supplies and equipment. It is a global economy and the FDA actually inspects a great many facilities outside the US which is supplying HC in the US.
3. The UK health service is considerably more unionized than the US HC system and yet costs are just 35% of US costs.
4. Cost of utilities and ancillary workers is just as high - if not higher - in Switzerland than it is in the US but their per capita health care costs are almost 50% of ours.
I find it disappointing that so many are happy to keep a status quo which is patently not serving Americans all that well.
YOU asked how to keep the levels down to 'swiss' levels
AGAIN, I will ask..just what will you cut
when you pay a doctor $100 for a visit, you are not just paying the doctor..you are paying his nurse, his receptionist, the billing clerk, the electric company, the supply company, the equipment company, the lease/mortgae holder, the gas/oil company, the landscaper, etc
it seems you FAIL to reasize that
so AGAIN, whos JOB, or service are you going to cut to get COSTS down to say "swiss levels"
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Did you see what the peoples reaction to getting the ss age raised in France? They know the government reflects what the people want. 
