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Old 12-23-2010, 07:46 AM
 
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It would seem to me that Haiti is not able to be 'saved',at least not until it's own people start doing more.

It is puzzling how Haiti is so poor and corrupt and needing handouts and the Dominican Republic is doing much better.
The Dominican Republican is doing relatively better, but it's still one hell of a dump. There are parts of that country that easily rival Haiti's poverty.

In any case, i don't see why i shouldn't send anything to Haiti because they've had 45 lynchings. How many Afghani's have murdered other Afghani's over the last decade? Yea...45 aint that high of a number, is it? And how much money have we sent them?

Right. I thought so.
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Old 12-23-2010, 07:52 AM
 
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It would seem to me that Haiti is not able to be 'saved',at least not until it's own people start doing more.

It is puzzling how Haiti is so poor and corrupt and needing handouts and the Dominican Republic is doing much better.

How can they "help" themselves any more than they're already doing?

Have you ever been to a place where virtually everything is destroyed? Where there is almost literally NO industry? Virtually NO business of any kind? NO functioning government in most places? NO health care which isn't provided by outside sources? NO clean water? NO trash removal? NO infrastruture maintenance? NO free and impartial court system? NO police force which can't be bought? NO prospects for the future? NO hope? NO housing beyond tents and ad-hoc structures cobbled together with debris?

And that's just in Port au Prince. The outlying areas are even worse!

This is the reality of Haiti today and they are doing the best they can under circumstances which would curl your hair and cause most of us to beat our chest and scream, "Doomed! Doomed! We all are doomed!"

And, we'd be right!
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Old 12-23-2010, 07:53 AM
 
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The Dominican Republican is doing relatively better, but it's still one hell of a dump. There are parts of that country that easily rival Haiti's poverty.

In any case, i don't see why i shouldn't send anything to Haiti because they've had 45 lynchings. How many Afghani's have murdered other Afghani's over the last decade? Yea...45 aint that high of a number, is it? And how much money have we sent them?

Right. I thought so.
You can send all you want,I don't care,it is your money.

I don't want taxpayer money going to EITHER nation.
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Old 12-23-2010, 07:56 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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How can they "help" themselves any more than they're already doing?

Have you ever been to a place where virtually everything is destroyed? Where there is almost literally NO industry? Virtually NO business of any kind? NO functioning government in most places? NO health care which isn't provided by outside sources? NO clean water? NO trash removal? NO infrastruture maintenance? NO free and impartial court system? NO police force which can't be bought? NO prospects for the future? NO hope? NO housing beyond tents and ad-hoc structures cobbled together with debris?

And that's just in Port au Prince. The outlying areas are even worse!

This is the reality of Haiti today and they are doing the best they can under circumstances which would curl your hair and cause most of us to beat our chest and scream, "Doomed! Doomed! We all are doomed!"

And, we'd be right!
Stop being dependent upon outsiders to provide.

What is to stop Haitians from collecting their trash?

What is to stop Haitians from building their own homes with the raw materials provided?

Lets be brutally honest here,Haiti is a welfare nation,and it's people seem to have developed an entitlement mentality.
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Old 12-23-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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Stop being dependent upon outsiders to provide.

What is to stop Haitians from collecting their trash?
And put it where? And transport it how? You do understand, don't you, that most Haitian's do not own a car or have the money to even rent one. The truth is that they DO collect their own trash and put it wherever they can find to dump it, just to get it away from the house. In PAP, that means the concrete storm drains which are literally brimming from end to end and top to bottom with trash. You can imagine what happens when it rains.

Only now, 11 months after the earthquake, is a privately owned Florida company attacking that problem with it's own money because nobody else would, or could.

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What is to stop Haitians from building their own homes with the raw materials provided?
They have, but about the only raw materials available is the rubble from their own former homes.

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Lets be brutally honest here,Haiti is a welfare nation,and it's people seem to have developed an entitlement mentality.
Really? Why don't you go down there and see for yourself? All they want is a chance, a chance which has been denied them for too long.
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Old 12-23-2010, 08:06 AM
 
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Without real Law or your own guns you would be building a house for some theif.
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Old 12-23-2010, 08:10 AM
 
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And put it where? And transport it how? You do understand, don't you, that most Haitian's do not own a car or have the money to even rent one. The truth is that they DO collect their own trash and put it wherever they can find to dump it, just to get it away from the house. In PAP, that means the concrete storm drains which are literally brimming from end to end and top to bottom with trash. You can imagine what happens when it rains.
They have NOTHING else to do with their time,and sorry Haitians aren't exactly starving to death.

I found it interesting that in a market there,a man was selling flavored frozen ice(of course he wasn't using treated water,thus possibly spreading Cholera...).

Now forgive me but isn't it a little odd that:
A. Haitians have the ability to make frozen flavored ice when they supposedly cannot feed,clothe,clean up or house themselves.

B. They have the funds to BUY frozen flavored ice when they supposedly have no food,housing,clothes or trash pick up....



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Only now, 11 months after the earthquake, is a privately owned Florida company attacking that problem with it's own money because nobody else would, or could.
Again,there was NOTHING stopping Haitian people from cleaning up after themselves,perhaps it is time to stop making excuses for them?


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They have, but about the only raw materials available is the rubble from their own former homes.
Odd that other nations have suffered earthquakes and natural disasters and somehow managed to not turn into a welfare nation with an entitlement mentality.



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Really? Why don't you go down there and see for yourself? All they want is a chance, a chance which has been denied them for too long.
How many DECADES of welfare is needed?
Perhaps in another 50 years they might start actually taking care of themselves.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:48 AM
 
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It would seem to me that Haiti is not able to be 'saved',at least not until it's own people start doing more.

It is puzzling how Haiti is so poor and corrupt and needing handouts and the Dominican Republic is doing much better.
Its not so puzzling to you though is it oz? You've got it all figured out dont you? Well tell us.
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Old 12-23-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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Its not so puzzling to you though is it oz? You've got it all figured out dont you? Well tell us.
Entitlement mentality leads to demands for more entitlements.

Welfare nations aren't any different to welfare individuals in that regard.

Why do YOU think Haiti is so 'unlucky' compared to the Dominican Republic?
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Old 12-23-2010, 10:02 AM
 
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Entitlement mentality leads to demands for more entitlements.

Welfare nations aren't any different to welfare individuals in that regard.

Why do YOU think Haiti is so 'unlucky' compared to the Dominican Republic?
Haiti is a different story. Look at their history of corrupt American backed leadership.
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