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Old 12-27-2010, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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They never went away.

The death panels are a part of this scamcare bill at the start.

They are just hidden away with slicky worded bs to hide them from us.

Someone posted how the FDA is already rationing meds to those in need so therefore we have the government controlling who lives and who dies.

People we had better wake up in America and stop the socialist nutcases from changing our lives.
All you have to do is pay out of pocket and you can get any medical care or medications you want!

For the small amount you contributed compared to the high cost of healthcare today, you got more than you paid for already!
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That is not what is actually going on. Most people will "spend" more on healthcare in their last six months than what they did over all their life span.
And that is THE problem, but how do you address it.
It means that people are sicker the last six months of their life (in general). I don't think there is a way to address it, if you mean reduce costs. Even hospice care is expensive.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:46 PM
 
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It means that people are sicker the last six months of their life (in general). I don't think there is a way to address it, if you mean reduce costs. Even hospice care is expensive.
The cost of hospice care doesn't even come close to the cost of intensive care dying!
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The cost of hospice care doesn't even come close to the cost of intensive care dying!
No, but it isn't cheap, especially in-pt. hospice.
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Old 12-27-2010, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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No, but it isn't cheap, especially in-pt. hospice.
The experience from my mother is that Medicare paid 100% of hospice care. My mother was as comfortable as possible during her incurable illness.
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Old 12-28-2010, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Not me, it's one of the systems thrown in our faces all the time by those who want single-payer government-provided health care. As such, it's quite important to make sure everyone understands that those in the UK must wait a total of 3 years for heart surgery.
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This has nothing to do with budget shortfalls, which are another problem entirely. The excessive heart surgery wait times reported by the British cardiac surgeon are the result of a physician/surgeon shortage.
To return to the topic of this thread - the so-called "death panels" in this country .... there has been zero proof given by anyone in this thread that either the health care legislation passed and signed into law or the regulations issued by Health and Human Services contain ANY provisions, mandates, or even mention of death panels.
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Old 12-28-2010, 06:11 AM
 
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Really? Let's take a look at what that document really says:They simply stopped measuring wait times that were too long. How convenient.
Actually, that means that they stopped using eastimates, and went on to using actual numbers.

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To return to the topic of this thread - the so-called "death panels" in this country .... there has been zero proof given by anyone in this thread that either the health care legislation passed and signed into law or the regulations issued by Health and Human Services contain ANY provisions, mandates, or even mention of death panels.
Except those run by the insurance panels, of course.

Which probably has a lot more to do with this than you'd think. Seems to me a lot of the arguments trotted out look...engineerd to appeal to Americans. Bureaucracy. Waiting lists. High costs. Death Panels. These are things that are familiar to Americans. And the arguments appeal to the people who don't know much beyond America. Because...things have to be worse elsewhere, right?
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Old 12-28-2010, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The idiots are back! I suppose the "birthers" are going to be resurrected as well.
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Old 12-28-2010, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The experience from my mother is that Medicare paid 100% of hospice care. My mother was as comfortable as possible during her incurable illness.
Yes, medicare paid for my father-in-law, too. But that is the point. Someone has to pay for care for a person in their final days, no matter what type of care that is. Hence, the battle cry (for some) that more money is spent on the last six months of a person's life than is spent during the rest of their life. It simply means most people are sick at the end of life.
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Old 12-28-2010, 08:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Actually, that means that they stopped using eastimates, and went on to using actual numbers.
No it doesn't. How can you tell? By this statement:
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"However, information on waiting times for angiograms continues to be published on the StatsWales site."
Cardiac outpatient and inpatient or day-case cardiac surgery are no longer measured to estimate if wait time targets are being met. Only angiogram wait times continue to be published. What they are are 'estimating' is if wait time targets have been met by using the measurements of certain criteria. The measurement of cardiac surgey wait times has been dropped because those wait times were too long. The angiogram wait time has improved, so they've kept that criteria.
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