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You say the thread isn't specifically about Immigration, but you talk about the Dream Act in your opening post?
You claim you're talking about reparations for blacks in this post and what white people are responsible for?
Who needs to pay attention?
You're unclear in your opening post, and your poll question makes no sense.
Post what you mean to say because nobody around here is a mind reader.
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I guess this is a pretty simple question that seems to have been brought up a lot lately with the Dream Act Amnesty failure and I'm wondering how most people feel about this. I know we have an illegal immigration forum but this isn't just about the Dreamers, I'm just asking in general if children or adults should ever be held responsible for the actions of their parents or other relatives.
Is there anything that would cause you to change your stance on the situation?
I know we have an illegal immigration forum but this isn't just about the Dreamers, I'm just asking in general if children or adults should ever be held responsible for the actions of their parents or other relatives.Is there anything that would cause you to change your stance on the situation?
Change our stance ON WHAT SITUATION? You didn't define a situation.
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"if children or adults should ever be held responsible for the actions of their parents or other relatives."
- with regard to what?
The only "situation" you defined was that of the Dreamers.
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I did read it. Illogical opening post. Illogical poll question.
How do you expect someone to answer your question when it's unclear what exactly it is that you're asking?
I guess this is a pretty simple question that seems to have been brought up a lot lately with the Dream Act Amnesty failure and I'm wondering how most people feel about this. I know we have an illegal immigration forum but this isn't just about the Dreamers, I'm just asking in general if children or adults should ever be held responsible for the actions of their parents or other relatives.
Is there anything that would cause you to change your stance on the situation?
Whoever the legal guardian is, is the one who should be held responsible as it used to be. Parents should be responsible for their children, not the other way around UNLESS it is an adult child caring for a mentally unstable parent.
No, unless this adult (and it needs to be an adult) is the caretaker/legal guardian of a mentally disabled (or mentally ill) relative (or simply of another such non-related adult). To hold such individuals responsible otherwise should be a violation of our right not to be held responsible for the decisions of others and for the consequences of these decisions.
Is anyone in this thread paying any attention to what I'm saying? This is NOT SPECIFICALLY about illegal immigration. My main reason for posting this was a discussion I had about reparations with a black friend. It appears to me that many blacks (not my friend) believe that white people of today are somehow responsible for what took place to their relatives who have been dead for 100 years therefore white people today owe them money to make up for what was done.
I don't believe most blacks think this way. It makes no sense. I do believe however that many blacks who have suffered in life have an easy time looking for blame elsewhere. But I don't think they truly believe it's white peoples fault because of what happened during slavery.
Its not about holding children accountable for their parents decisions, it is about law and sending a message to other illegal immigrants. Having said that, i dont have a problem with letting illegals serve in the military in order to get citizenship. But giving them citizenship for attending college is stupid, especially when they are paying in state tuition and some american citizens are paying out of state tuition. How is that fair?
ITA! If the parents want to live here, they can come here legally. Coming here to give birth to attain citizenship for the child really shouldn't be allowed by our country. Children of parents who are not legal residents of the US should not be, automatically, citizens. These people are taking advantage of a flaw in our system to get freebies for their child and themselves. IMO, they're not exactly people we want here as citizens if they'd do that.
Is anyone in this thread paying any attention to what I'm saying? This is NOT SPECIFICALLY about illegal immigration. My main reason for posting this was a discussion I had about reparations with a black friend. It appears to me that many blacks (not my friend) believe that white people of today are somehow responsible for what took place to their relatives who have been dead for 100 years therefore white people today owe them money to make up for what was done.
That was what affirmative action was for.
Individual people, no. Society, yes. We do have a birth privilege in our society. For example, the children of college graduates are more likely to get into college themselves. For oppressed groups, this results in inequities of the past carrying over to today. That's why we put affirmative action in place. To address this. Fortunately, you only need do that for one generation. After that, birth privilege should be in place.
I don't think anyone owes anyone money for what their ancestors did. Who would owe them anyway? In many cases, it was other blacks who sold blacks into slavery. I do think society is responsible for denial of opportunities based on skin color but I also think affirmative action has addressed that.
How do you ask this question and tie it to illegal immigrants? Forget that?
What about the teenagers that have been running around and killing everyone? We got a guy dead in oklahoma, a ww2 vet dead in washington..and there was even an obama boyz gang. So for those parents, my answer is a resounding, hell YES!
Think about it... this is EXACTLY what Democrats want. They want to tax heirs on the inheritance their parents or other adult relatives leave them. Democrats are ALL FOR holding children and adults responsible for the actions(in this case, saving and investing) of their parents or adult relatives.
I am against big government, the left and progressive liberals as much as the next guy but if this is about stealing inheritance from the wealthy this is the first mention of it in the thread. To be honest, I never knew what the point of this thread was and now this leaks through.
Are you insinuating progressives are unconstitutionally stealing people's inheritances for some insidious reason other than taking from white people who built a legacy? That includes them and their trust funds. Oh yeah....the progressives are millionaires.
If so, it is time to make a run at the banks and get it all out...now.
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