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Old 01-10-2011, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Originally Posted by jimhcom View Post
If this issue is to be politicized at all, it should be on the care or lack thereof for the mentally ill. We have adopted the position over the last 3 decades that proper care of the mentally ill is just too expensive.
Many walk the streets unable to care for themselves, others carry out tragic crimes that are then used as evidence to pass stricter laws and suppress rights.
I am already seeing this incident being used to advocate for laws that would suppress freedom of speech including such issues as criticism of government.
How about we deal with the real issue, and divert some of the money we use to police the world on caring for the people who need help in our own country.
Perhaps then we can all live in a safer place.
And then we allow them to buy guns and have a concealed deadly weapons permit.

 
Old 01-10-2011, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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In my opinion, it's equally a mirror into our souls if we ignore the possibility that all the rhetoric DID have an effect on that terrorist (and that's what he is).

If we just shrug it off without examing the causes, if that's possible, then we haven't learned anything.
Are you saying the cause is political rhetoric or that he was mentally ill
 
Old 01-10-2011, 07:02 AM
 
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Dear Sarah Palin: Once again, you have shown your true colors with your false condolences to the victims of this latest tragedy in Tucson. You have not one drop of sincere compassion in your body, you have limited grey matter, absolutely zero class and you are a disgrace to all human beings who support and promote tolerance of different ideas and beliefs. I sincerely hope that the parents of little Christina Green, Judge Roll and the other victims sue you for wrongful death because you are culpable in their demise. Taking down your website that had Representative Gifford's 8th district with gun crosshairs drawn on a map is pretty damning evidence. And you are no better than those who celebrated after the 9/11 tragedy. You need to step up to the plate and face some serious truths starting with your viscious attack on people who do not agree with your viewpoints. You are a mean spirited, tongue tied poisonous asp who needs to stay home and focus on your family.
Dear BlacktoBlue: Once again, you have shown your true colors with your false accusations and political posturing regarding the victims of this latest tragedy in Tucson. You have not one drop of sincere compassion in your body with your attempt to politicize this tragedy, you have limited grey matter, absolutely zero class and you are a disgrace to all human beings who support and promote tolerance of different ideas and beliefs. And you are no better than those who celebrated after the 9/11 tragedy. You need to step up to the plate and face some serious truths starting with your viscious attack on people who do not agree with your viewpoints. You are a mean spirited, tongue tied poisonous asp who needs to get a serious reality check.

now, not really, I don't know you...but can you even grasp how rIdiculous sounding your original statement was? How contradictory?
 
Old 01-10-2011, 07:02 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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To take the murder of six people and use it as a means to assume the victim role is absolutely repulsive.
And immediately trying to place blame on the right,what is that exactly???

Good political sense?
 
Old 01-10-2011, 07:04 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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As we receive more reports on the shooter, it's becoming clear that he was a very emotionally and mentally unbalanced young man. He was rejected for military service due to failing a drug screen.

For anyone to start attempting to pin this tragedy on one political side or the other at this point is...

... well, ridiculous.

Some posters on this thread should step back from the edge and examine their motivations.
To START attempting?
The third reply(long since deleted) to the thread was by a leftist here totally placing blame on the right wing...

Might want to get your information straight.
 
Old 01-10-2011, 07:05 AM
 
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As far as i'm concerned, even talking about it is exasperating the problem. It happened. Period, end of story. Now let's deal with it like adults.
 
Old 01-10-2011, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Are you saying the cause is political rhetoric or that he was mentally ill
Why does it have to be one or the other? Could it not be from a combination of the two, or even other influences?

That kind of black/white, either/or thinking curtails the search for understanding.
 
Old 01-10-2011, 07:10 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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The problem is we have several rights and privileges running into one another.

The shooter,up until he committed the shooting,was not legally barred from owning a firearm.

He also could not be forced to seek mental treatment.

He was,in hindsight, mentally unstable.

Even if treatment was freely available,unless society wants to force the mentally ill into treatment/institutions,there is little to be done.
 
Old 01-10-2011, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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I've followed all 137 pages of this thread from the very beginning. I have seen the reaction from some that immediately, before hardly any details were in, that wanted to blame the Tea Party, Beck, Fox, and especially Sarah Palin.

It was after this that I saw the reaction from right wing supporters to these types of statements. First, the reaction was all the facts are not known, let's wait. Next reaction was this is a disturbed young man, let's not bring politics into it. Finally, it was demonstrating that the left had employed similar rhetoric in political discussions. Finally, it was an effort to show that this young man was more aligned with the left than the right.

Look, the smart thing here would be to reserve and hold judgement until all of the facts are in. However, you cannot insult someone while doing so otherwise that is just begging for a response in kind.

Take a deep breath and decide if you're part of the problem or the solution. I think healthy debate is great but disparaging and insulting remarks are not.
 
Old 01-10-2011, 07:13 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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44 - Jared Loughner's behavior recorded by college classmate in e-mails

Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Frightening, twisted shrine in Arizona killer Jared Lee Loughner's yard

This is clearly a breakdown in the system. When you have teachers fearful of someone bringing automatic weapons to school and nothing is done, the system is fatally flawed. Of course instead of dealing with the flaws in the system, they will institute laws to suppress the rights and freedoms of all citizens, and do nothing to deal with the mentally ill.
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