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Skills are valuable. Guns remove the skill from the equation.
Wait till you grow old and stiff before you count on that idea. I have 3 bad disks in my lower spine, an old injury from a broken neck, and one really bad joint from another injury in my left hand as a child, not to mention a new broken finger from dec 31st past.
Twice I took beatings from 6 guys each on different occassions and I was un-armed bith times. I assure you to have drawn would have taken nore than primitive skills each of those times.
It takes a nerves of steel, which I don't have anymore to stand steady, and insure you don't miss. Not many people who have been rung out have that type of nerves, but still may bear, present, and save their lives, sometimes with no shots fired.
Then there is the problem that a predator has the advanage of surprise.
This is somthing the legal ccw guy never has. We are not the predators amoungst us, the gun is simply a tool to stop the predator with.
A gun does in no way insure the outcome of a move in self defence either. At best to be armed is only a 50/50 change, when the odds would be very limited with out one.
A case in point this last Az event where no one else appears to have been armed.
How many people were saved by doctors? How many were saved by guns?
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Originally Posted by Mac_Muz
Wait till you grow old and stiff before you count on that idea. I have 3 bad disks in my lower spine, an old injury from a broken neck, and one really bad joint from another injury in my left hand as a child, not to mention a new broken finger from dec 31st past.
Twice I took beatings from 6 guys each on different occassions and I was un-armed bith times. I assure you to have drawn would have taken nore than primitive skills each of those times.
It takes a nerves of steel, which I don't have anymore to stand steady, and insure you don't miss. Not many people who have been rung out have that type of nerves, but still may bear, present, and save their lives, sometimes with no shots fired.
Then there is the problem that a predator has the advanage of surprise.
This is somthing the legal ccw guy never has. We are not the predators amoungst us, the gun is simply a tool to stop the predator with.
A gun does in no way insure the outcome of a move in self defence either. At best to be armed is only a 50/50 change, when the odds would be very limited with out one.
A case in point this last Az event where no one else appears to have been armed.
You wouldn't be writing this post if you got shoot six times. I'm sorry for what happened to you, but why would you assume that you would be the one having the gun while the other six would be unarmed?
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Originally Posted by lionking
Then there is the fact that criminals will find access to one anyway.
Banning things will make it more difficult. Criminals are not superman. Why don't criminals drive tanks? Why don't criminals using RPGs in the US? Those things are "banned" but they aren't used often... interesting.
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC
The comment to my first point was that guns are able to kill more people than knives, stones, etc. So using planes as weapons killed a bunch of people at once.
The point is people kill people (outside of accidents). A gun on a table does nothing until someone picks it up with the intent to use it. A plane is fine until a hijacker takes it over and uses it as a weapon. Fertilizer is safe until someone combines it with other chemical to make a bomb.
Until we get it, we will continue to spin our wheels on this. When people kill, punishment should be swift - especially in obvious cases like this weekend.
Wait till you grow old and stiff before you count on that idea. I have 3 bad disks in my lower spine, an old injury from a broken neck, and one really bad joint from another injury in my left hand as a child, not to mention a new broken finger from dec 31st past.
Twice I took beatings from 6 guys each on different occassions and I was un-armed bith times. I assure you to have drawn would have taken nore than primitive skills each of those times.
It takes a nerves of steel, which I don't have anymore to stand steady, and insure you don't miss. Not many people who have been rung out have that type of nerves, but still may bear, present, and save their lives, sometimes with no shots fired.
Then there is the problem that a predator has the advanage of surprise.
This is somthing the legal ccw guy never has. We are not the predators amoungst us, the gun is simply a tool to stop the predator with.
A gun does in no way insure the outcome of a move in self defence either. At best to be armed is only a 50/50 change, when the odds would be very limited with out one.
A case in point this last Az event where no one else appears to have been armed.
I'm already old. Skill vs. skill. If I fail, that's survival of the fittest at work. The way things SHOULD be. The strong survive, the weak die like they should.
It's been said before, but banning guns will only keep them out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. Criminals will have no problem acquiring a gun illegally and they will know anyone they try to rob or any house they break into probably won't have a gun inside.
Pot is illegal, but find me someone who doesn't know where they could get some in less than an hour. The black market for firearms would explode, more would come into this country illegally and more crime would spring up around the trafficking and smuggling of illegal firearms. It's not like our borders are porous or anything.
Pot is illegal, but find me someone who doesn't know where they could get some in less than an hour.
I don't.
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