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So, you don't have any problem with Calvinist using that example? May I recommend you to revisit "the point"?
Holy crap! What about my posts would lead you to believe that I do NOT have a problem with Calvinist using that example?!?!?!?!?!
I have said in no uncertain terms that his example is completely disconnected from sexual orientation and proves nothing of his heterosexuality or homosexuality.
Have you even been reading my posts you've been quoting?
Such childish obstinateness. This discussion is about sexual orentation, not sexual behavior. If you don't understand the distinction, perhaps you should sit this one out.
Are you willing to give the same consideration to an alcoholic that just can't stay away from the bottle? We know that children of alcoholics tend to have higher rates of alcoholism, so it would appear to be a genetic and/or mental issue. Why do we give one deviant behavior a pass but not the other?
That's somewhat bigoted, don't you think? What gives you the right to impose your morals on me?
So, oral sex between a husband and wife is sodomy? Sex between a husband and wife just for fun is sodomy? And since sodomy = sin and since I am not sorry and willing to repent for the sin I am going to Hell? We are ALL doomed. Dang it and I thought was doing so well
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Dictionary.com says so, yes:
sod·om·y
/ˈsɒdəmi/ Show Spelled[sod-uh-mee] Show IPA
–noun 1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2. copulation with a member of the same sex.
3. bestiality ( def. 4 ) .
Holy crap! What about my posts would lead you to believe that I do NOT have a problem with Calvinist using that example?!?!?!?!?!
I have said in no uncertain terms that his example is completely disconnected from sexual orientation and proves nothing of his heterosexuality or homosexuality.
Have you even been reading my posts you've been quoting?
What was "the point" as you perceived it? Let us start there.
What was "the point" as you perceived it? Let us start there.
OK. The thread title is: "Is sexual 'preferance' a choice?".
Calvinist has posted:
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Originally Posted by Calvinist
...Every time you are intimate with another person you "make the choice".
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Originally Posted by Calvinist
I make the choice daily when I kiss my wife goodbye.
I can only interpret that to mean that he believes that his actions represent a choice to be heterosexual. Which is absolute crap. Again, a life-long celibate still has sexual orientation, regardless of whether or not it has been acted upon.
You replied that his "point would still stand", with regards to the 2nd quote above. Let me ask you - what did YOU mean by that?
Every time you are intimate with another person you "make the choice".
Sexual activity is different from sexual orientation. Sexual attraction just happens. We can try to suppress it, and we can choose to not act on our desires, but that doesn't make our desires and attractions go away.
Glad to see the poll played out as it did. At first I was going to put "not sure," since as a nongay person, I have no idea other than I have always been the same. Upon reflection, my impression of it is that a number of my friends, aquaintances that turned out to be gay were always gay in some fashion of just seeming a bit different growing up. In fact, my youth pastor was a single woman who several men proposed to, but never could seem to find one she liked now lives with her female partner in Switzerland. I am happy for her. But I think she is sad to have had to move abroad to be an openly gay woman and a Christian leader. I admire her on both fronts. I really do think you should be true to who you are, I think that to do otherwise is a recipe for unhappiness. For dudes, I know that I have always respected the real flamers most. I loved Eddy Mercury, and I still love Little Richard. I cannot imagine either one was ever nongay. They both had/have a zest for life.
All this said, I agree with artsyguy. Does it really matter how people came to be themselves, if they are decent and happy?
Are you willing to give the same consideration to an alcoholic that just can't stay away from the bottle? We know that children of alcoholics tend to have higher rates of alcoholism, so it would appear to be a genetic and/or mental issue. Why do we give one deviant behavior a pass but not the other?
That's somewhat bigoted, don't you think? What gives you the right to impose your morals on me?
I'm not quite understanding your point. I don't find your analogy to be analogous.
I'll agree with you - alcoholism is not a choice. Alcoholism is a compulsive, addictive disorder. It's a disease that if untreated will severely injured and eventually kill the afflicted. Alcoholism is objectively bad. It can, however, be treated and cured.
Homosexuality (or sexuality in general) is not a choice. It's an inherent characteristic of human beings. Homosexuality is not a disease. It's not deviant. It's not a mental issue. It's not treatable. It doesn't injury, harm, or kill the afflicted homosexual. It's simply a natural and normal variant of human.
The only analogy I see between the two is this: Choosing to having a drink does not make one an alcoholic in the same way choosing to have sex with a women would not make me heterosexual (I'm a gay man). Anyone of any sexuality can choose to have sex with any other consenting person. That choice is usually rooted in ones inherent sexuality, but it in no way determines it. The cart doesn't pull the horse.
OK. The thread title is: "Is sexual 'preferance' a choice?".
Calvinist has posted:
I can only interpret that to mean that he believes that his actions represent a choice to be heterosexual. Which is absolute crap. Again, a life-long celibate still has sexual orientation, regardless of whether or not it has been acted upon.
You replied that his "point would still stand", with regards to the 2nd quote above. Let me ask you - what did YOU mean by that?
Then I can safely assume you never read his/her response to my question. So, you have no clue about "the point". May I advise, again, to go back and re-read then talk about it.
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