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Old 01-22-2011, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...WS/301209934/0

No worries, repealing the 1099 provision of the healthcare law is one thing that is seeing bipartisan support.

If Republicans were worried about business they would have passed this first, instead of passing a pointless repeal bill that will never become law.

Wonk Room » 53 Senate Democrats Voted To Repeal 1099 Reporting Requirement From Health Law

Senate Democrats have already voted to repeal the 1099 part. Lets be bipartisan.
But according to your link from the Wonk Room, a part of Think Progress not enough to repeal that part of the bill. It is still there because it was intended to raise money to help pay for the bill and nothing else.

Come on keep trying to make Think Progress look like something it sure isn't.
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I guess that is what happens when you rush so much you fail to even read what you vote for really.
I guess you are right. Somebody told them they needed this to help pay for Obamacare and they let 'er fly.
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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So if the Dems are now for repealing why the heck did it get in there and passed ?
Did they NOT know it was in there ?
Why the about face just months after this passed ?

Sounds to me like this was put together in a back room and strong-armed through the House/Senate sight unseen and unread.

The whole dang thing needs to be repealed. Write and pass small, understandable pieces that can stand independently and be fairly implemented in a financially equitable way. Pay/Go MUST be adhered to.
You are totally right about all this but the money that they wanted to get from this tax was part of Paygo. I wonder what Nasty Nancy would say about all this.
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Like I said, both parties do that. Can't lay blame on one without the other as well.

Heres another Republican law that wasn't read before passing it.

Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think that these words from your link might say that after debating about 6 months they started voting. Now that is about 6 months longer than any debate for the present abortion of a HealthCare bill got. Surely somebody read that Medicare bill in that whole 6 months. I enjoyed reading all the shenanigans that took place in both houses. Anyway these are the words from your Wikipedia link.

The bill was debated and negotiated for nearly six months in Congress, and finally passed amid unusual circumstances. Several times in the legislative process the bill had appeared to have failed, but each time was saved when a couple of Congressmen and Senators switched positions on the bill.
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Old 01-23-2011, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Almost all legislation thats passed originally has stupid provisions in it.

The key is to pass it first, then fix it before it comes into law, or shortly after. Its been done with loads of Republican legislation, the patriot act was one of those.

Thats just the way Washington works now, you add pork to get it passed, or provisions that will get them passed, then fix them later. I know it sucks to do it that way, but I have to fault both parties for that one, not just one or the other.
The Dems were in a hurry to pass this mess because they knew the more the people knew the more they would object. Even Pelosi said the bill would have to be passed to find out what was in it.
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Old 01-23-2011, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I think that these words from your link might say that after debating about 6 months they started voting. Now that is about 6 months longer than any debate for the present abortion of a HealthCare bill got. Surely somebody read that Medicare bill in that whole 6 months. I enjoyed reading all the shenanigans that took place in both houses. Anyway these are the words from your Wikipedia link.

The bill was debated and negotiated for nearly six months in Congress, and finally passed amid unusual circumstances. Several times in the legislative process the bill had appeared to have failed, but each time was saved when a couple of Congressmen and Senators switched positions on the bill.
Still didn't mean all of them had read it, in fact, most didn't. They had their aids read it, just like Democrats did with the healthcare bill, but they didn't read it.
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Old 01-23-2011, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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But according to your link from the Wonk Room, a part of Think Progress not enough to repeal that part of the bill. It is still there because it was intended to raise money to help pay for the bill and nothing else.

Come on keep trying to make Think Progress look like something it sure isn't.
Yeah, the Senate isn't enough to repeal that part of the bill, it takes the house also.

Oh, did I forget to mention that Republicans filibustered the bill?
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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People are missing the big picture with this 1099 reporting.

The Dems knew exactly why they originally put the 1099 provision into the health bill. It was no mistake. The Dems passed the health bill knowing full well why the 1099 thing was included (they wanted to raise tax revenue by fully going after small business under reporting of expenses/income).

It's the Dems mess they created for themselves. The republicans have the Dems checked mated on this one.

The republicans will not let the repeal happen unless they get the health bill over turned completely. It's deal or no deal.

The Dems will go down with this. Because a congressmen/Senator cannot say to their voters they voted for the 1099 but now want to repeal it.

What excuse will they make to their voters? That they didn't real the bill? Bull crap. They read the bill and knew exactly what was in the bill. But they never anticipated such a backlash with increased administrative costs for small business. They just saw "chance to increase tax revenues" with this 1099.

I honestly think the Republicans will make the Dems pay heavily for this 1099 fiasco. No one will blink so the 1099 goes into law by 2012. Because the Dems don't want the entire health bill they barely passed with so many backroom deals overturned. So the Republicans will let stand the horrible 1099 provision and will let the voters decided in 2012 elections.
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Old 01-23-2011, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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People are missing the big picture with this 1099 reporting.

The Dems knew exactly why they originally put the 1099 provision into the health bill. It was no mistake. The Dems passed the health bill knowing full well why the 1099 thing was included (they wanted to raise tax revenue by fully going after small business under reporting of expenses/income).

It's the Dems mess they created for themselves. The republicans have the Dems checked mated on this one.

The republicans will not let the repeal happen unless they get the health bill over turned completely. It's deal or no deal.

The Dems will go down with this. Because a congressmen/Senator cannot say to their voters they voted for the 1099 but now want to repeal it.

What excuse will they make to their voters? That they didn't real the bill? Bull crap. They read the bill and knew exactly what was in the bill. But they never anticipated such a backlash with increased administrative costs for small business. They just saw "chance to increase tax revenues" with this 1099.

I honestly think the Republicans will make the Dems pay heavily for this 1099 fiasco. No one will blink so the 1099 goes into law by 2012. Because the Dems don't want the entire health bill they barely passed with so many backroom deals overturned. So the Republicans will let stand the horrible 1099 provision and will let the voters decided in 2012 elections.

There is NO WAY the GOP will be able to blame the Dems for the 1099 issue after the GOP filibustered changing the reporting requirement from $600 to $5,000.
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Old 01-23-2011, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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There is NO WAY the GOP will be able to blame the Dems for the 1099 issue after the GOP filibustered changing the reporting requirement from $600 to $5,000.
ding ding ding.

We have a winner.

Everyone who keeps talking about "why did the law happen in the first place are right", but hindsight is 20/20, why did Republicans filibuster the effort to fix it after the fact?
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