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Old 02-03-2011, 06:54 AM
 
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No problem.

No, as i stated I hate smoking but am not for a ban as it is an individual choice.
I don't go to bars where there is smoking but before when establishments in my state allowed smoking I resented the people who blew smoke in my direction.

So are you saying if someone is in a business with toxic chemicals and they want to release them it is OK with you because I could leave if I don't want to be exposed?

Because the toxins from the cigarette have been proven to be carcinogenic.
As long as cigarettes are considered legal to smoke I don't have a problem with a business making the decision to allow them to be used in their establishment. If it is legal to use toxic chemicals in the fashion that they are releasing them, then so be it.

If that's a problem for me to be there, I won't go. And I won't spend money there.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:54 AM
 
Location: FL
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Because it's a free country. I have to adjust to the idiot with the "boom boom" stereo. I have to deal with crowds of people if I go to the movies, or the grocery store, or whatever. I have to deal with traffic driving to work, etc.

That's what you get when you live in a city. You have to interact with and be around people. Don't like it? Move to a rural area where you can hug trees and breathe fresh air all day long to your heart's content.


Grow up and be an adult and stop depending on the government to sterilize everything for you.
This is the first time I have ever agreed with you.

If they go for cigarettes, then they need to go for booze and then guns. I personally like freedom to choose.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Absolutely No !!! And the question shouldn't even be considered.

We don't need government telling us what we can eat, drink or smoke.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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This is the first time I have ever agreed with you.

If they go for cigarettes, then they need to go for booze and then guns. I personally like freedom to choose.
In most places in CA they've reduced all 3. In SD you can't drink or smoke in most public places that 5-10 years ago you could. Unloaded open carry is the current target by certain politicians.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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But why should the non smoker have to make the adjustment?
Why shouldn't they be able to go into any public place and enjoy clean air?

Let the smokers indulge all they want but in their own space where they don't pollute the lungs of innocent people.

Non-smokers SHOULD be able to go into any public place and enjoy clean air, except when that place is a private establishment that chooses to cater to both smokers and nonsmokers. People have every right to enjoy PUBLIC places with clean air. A private establishment that caters to the public is not a publicly owned place.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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It's funny how this country how this country is so fickle. You go to many places in Europe and there is smoking everywhere still. Seems like the countries over there may value their rights more so than we do in many ways.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:12 AM
 
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I am not a smoker, hate the smell, cigarettes to me are plain disgusting. But that being said, what about freedom of choice, right or wrong, good or bad or indifferent, inch by inch, if we so let them, things that we love, might soon be taken away also. Health wise, this would be a very good decision, but smokers already know the risk to their health, i would tend to say yes because my Father died of lung cancer caused by cigarettes. But there still comes that thing called freedom to make your own choice.
Then why not legalize all drugs??? Heroin is less addictive than nicotene.

Additionally if you give smokers the freedom to smoke everywhere they want, it affects nonsmokers. We have to breath and smell their smoke. If we don't want to deal with it, we lose freedom of where we'd like to go and what we like to do.

Its really not that much to restrict on smokers. They can still go wherever they like. Smoke in your car or in your house, if not, carry some nicotene gum or use a patch to cover your addiction.

I suppose drunk driving laws are an interference on freedom too?? Same idea, the government says you can't do something, and its something that if you do it you can get yourself or someone else, sick or dead.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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It's funny how this country how this country is so fickle. You go to many places in Europe and there is smoking everywhere still. Seems like the countries over there may value their rights more so than we do in many ways.
They don't seem to mind universal health care either.........

Maybe they put up with the smoking because they know treating lung cancer (along with all the other illnesses smoking is known to cause) won't cause bankruptcy.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Hades
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I'm sure somebody has already pointed this out, but the movement is there. Not that I support it or don't support it, but the smoking ban has been gradually sweeping the nation.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:21 AM
 
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Non-smokers SHOULD be able to go into any public place and enjoy clean air, except when that place is a private establishment that chooses to cater to both smokers and nonsmokers. People have every right to enjoy PUBLIC places with clean air. A private establishment that caters to the public is not a publicly owned place.
No one said it was a publcly owned place.

I stand by my assertion that people should be able to, at a minimum, enjoy clean air and not have someone next to them enveloping them in carcinogenic toxins.

This should be COMMON SENSE. It is a matter of simple decent behavior. Civility.
If you have an addiction and you want to indulge regardless of the health implications then so be it, but you should have enough respect for your fellow man not to expose them.
But since many people seem to lack this sense then the establishment should protect the public.
If the business wants to post a sign that says something to the effect: Enter at your own risk toxic chemicals being released. . . . Making it know that it is catering to smokers then that is a different story. Basically a bar.
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