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Old 02-03-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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well I agree but EVERYTHING is oil. no amount of wind, solar hydro can fufill that need. you can't fly a commercial jet on solar.
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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Then of course there are the 13000 or so other essential products made form oil to replace. Noit in our lifetime.Besidesw when people see the cost of the repalcement and the infrastrauture cost they will be screaming aboutthe greedy alternative industry.
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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He believes that we are about to enter a period of scarcity of a finite resource. that is why the world is aggressively getting access to oil, the Tarsands project in Canada etc. If he is wrong, ok. If he is right, we are in for real trouble.
the tarsands have enough oil in them to last 170 years it just costs more to refine
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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He asserts that we are getting two barrels for every one barrel (energy cost) invested in getting that oil. in addition the environmental impacts are catastrophic. finally he asserts that we would not be doing it if we had other viable sources. again, I don't know but 170 years? where is that data?
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Why aren't we drilling our own oil in addition to our vast amounts of natural gas here?
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:33 AM
 
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He asserts that we are getting two barrels for every one barrel (energy cost) invested in getting that oil. in addition the environmental impacts are catastrophic. finally he asserts that we would not be doing it if we had other viable sources. again, I don't know but 170 years? where is that data?
Oil reserves in Canada were estimated at 179 billion barrels (28×10^9 m3) in 2007. This figure includes oil sands reserves which are estimated by government regulators to be economically producible at current prices using current technology.[1] According to this figure, Canada's reserves are second only to Saudi Arabia. Over 95% of these reserves are in the oil sands deposits in the province of Alberta.[2] Alberta contains nearly all of Canada's oil sands and much of its conventional oil reserves. The balance is concentrated in several other provinces and territories. Saskatchewan and offshore areas of Newfoundland in particular have substantial oil production and reserves.[3] Alberta has 39% of Canada's remaining conventional oil reserves, offshore Newfoundland 28% and Saskatchewan 27%, but if oil sands are included, Alberta's share is over 98%.[4]

from:Oil reserves in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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85,085,664 bbl/day

that is the total use of barrels per day worldwide.
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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also
Canada has a highly sophisticated energy industry and is both an importer and exporter of oil and refined products. In 2006, in addition to producing 1.2 billion barrels (190×10^6 m3), Canada imported 440 million barrels (70×10^6 m3), consumed 800 million barrels (130×10^6 m3) itself, and exported 840 million barrels (134×10^6 m3) to the U.S.[2] The excess of exports over imports was 400 million barrels (64×10^6 m3). Over 99% of Canadian oil exports are sent to the United States, and Canada is the United States' largest supplier of oil.

So I think north america will be fine also nuclear reactors are being considered as heat and electricity sources for the energy-intensive oil sands extraction process, which currently uses natural gas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candu#A....28ACR-1000.29

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Old 02-03-2011, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Do your figures square with this? Most recent 2001 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 .td70 { width: 70px; text-align: right; white-space: nowrap; }.td40 { width: 40px; text-align: right; }.td150 { width: 150px; }.td180 { width: 180px; text-align: right; }.td225 { width: 225px; vertical-align: middle; } Rank Countries Amount Date # 1 United States: 20,680,000 bbl/day 2007
# 3 China: 7,578,000 bbl/day 2007
# 4 Japan: 5,007,000 bbl/day 2007
# 5 Russia: 2,858,000 bbl/day 2007
# 6 India: 2,722,000 bbl/day 2007
# 7 Germany: 2,456,000 bbl/day 2007
# 8 Brazil: 2,372,000 bbl/day 2007
# 9 Canada: 2,371,000 bbl/day 2007
# 10 Saudi Arabia: 2,311,000 bbl/day 2007
# 11 Korea, South: 2,214,000 bbl/day 2007
# 12 Mexico: 2,119,000 bbl/day 2007
# 13 France: 1,950,000 bbl/day 2007
# 14 United Kingdom: 1,763,000 bbl/day 2007
# 15 Italy: 1,702,000 bbl/day 2007
# 16 Iran: 1,679,000 bbl/day 2006
# 17 Spain: 1,611,000 bbl/day 2007
# 18 Indonesia: 1,219,000 bbl/day 2006
# 19 Netherlands: 984,200 bbl/day 2007
# 20 Australia: 966,200 bbl/day 2007
# 21 Taiwan: 950,500 bbl/day 2006
# 22 Thailand: 928,600 bbl/day 2006
# 23 Singapore: 834,600 bbl/day 2006
# 24 Venezuela: 738,300 bbl/day 2007
# 25 Turkey: 676,600 bbl/day 2007
# 26 Egypt: 652,700 bbl/day 2006
# 27 Belgium: 628,500 bbl/day 2007
# 28 Argentina: 525,100 bbl/day 2006
# 29 Poland: 524,000 bbl/day 2007
# 30 South Africa: 504,900 bbl/day 2006
# 31 Malaysia: 501,100 bbl/day 2006
# 32 Greece: 441,400 bbl/day 2007
# 33 United Arab Emirates: 381,000 bbl/day 2006
# 34 Sweden: 353,700 bbl/day 2007
# 35 Pakistan: 345,000 bbl/day 2006
# 36 Philippines: 340,100 bbl/day 2006
# 37 Kuwait: 334,700 bbl/day 2006
# 38 Nigeria: 312,000 bbl/day 2006
# 39 Portugal: 301,000 bbl/day 2007
# 40 Iraq: 295,000 bbl/day 2007
# 41 Hong Kong: 293,100 bbl/day 2006
# 42 Austria: 289,400 bbl/day 2007
# 43 Ukraine: 284,600 bbl/day 2006
# 44 Algeria: 279,800 bbl/day 2006
# 45 Libya: 278,700 bbl/day 2006
# 46 Vietnam: 271,100 bbl/day 2007
# 47 Colombia: 265,400 bbl/day 2006
# 48 Chile: 253,000 bbl/day 2006
# 49 Switzerland: 244,900 bbl/day 2007
# 50 Kazakhstan: 243,100 bbl/day 2006
# 51 Romania: 238,200 bbl/day 2006
# 52 Israel: 232,300 bbl/day 2006
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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is that the amout refined because we send down un-refined crude and buy it back
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