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With all the turmoil in the middle east, those who often question the relations between US and Israel finally got their answer. Not someone's opinion, but reality itself:
1) Israel is the only stable pro western democracy in the middle east. And that is for 62 years. Many (myself included) question the financial aid to Israel. What about the billions poured on Egypt in the last 30 years? Didn't hear that discussed much.
2) I am even more curious to see Egypt's (and other Arab states) freedom and democracy after the regime change. I hope they get a true democracy, but am skeptical. As before, only time will tell. True answers will emerge only from reality.
As "democracies" go, people in Israel are just about as free to do as they want as the "democratic republic" of Iran (minus the hijab, anyway).
The aid dollars that went to Eqypt were really just a bribe paid to the Mubarak government for doing the bidding of Israel. The US not only supplies cash and weapons to the Israelis but also has bought and propped up puppet governments in the region that are willing to take orders and act according to Israeli and US interests.
The aid dollars that went to Eqypt were really just a bribe paid to the Mubarak government for doing the bidding of Israel. The US not only supplies cash and weapons to the Israelis but also has bought and propped up puppet governments in the region that are willing to take orders and act according to Israeli and US interests.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Sco again.
Please recheck your info. Israeli Arabs vote and can run for office. In the Israeli parliament there is a number of elected Arabs who are very vocal in their criticism. One of them is the deputy speaker of the parliament, Dr. Achmed Tibi. Notice how freely he criticizes Israel. Show me a politician doing the same in Syria or Iran.
Israeli Arabs do, however Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza do not have a right to vote in Israeli elections. And lets be honest, they may call them seperate countries but they are run by Isreal.
Israeli Arabs do, however Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza do not have a right to vote in Israeli elections. And lets be honest, they may call them seperate countries but they are run by Isreal.
Incorrect again. Here are the facts:
1) The Palestinian authority rules the Arabs in the west bank with the exemption of Jerusalem's Arabs. Israel is present in Jewish settlements, military bases and main roads. Ask Abbas if Israel rules them and he will be really offended by the question. Gaza on the other hand, is ruled only by Hamas. Israel doesn't have physical presence there since 2005. (Gaza however, is under blockade, but that is from outside).
2) No, they are not separate countries. There is still no independent Palestine.
3) Much to your surprise, Palestinians do not want Israeli citizenship. Let me repeat again: Palestinians in the west bank and Gaza do not want Israeli citizensip. How do I know? I spoke with them, not to the leftist intellectuals who impose their values on Palestinians. Therefore, it is totally irrelevant if Israel offers them citizenship or not. They simply don't want it.
The aid dollars that went to Eqypt were really just a bribe paid to the Mubarak government for doing the bidding of Israel. The US not only supplies cash and weapons to the Israelis but also has bought and propped up puppet governments in the region that are willing to take orders and act according to Israeli and US interests.
Bribe? It benefited the whole of Egypt. And let me tell you - the future Egypt (free, democratic) government, will probably insist in continuing getting US aid. But, bribe or not, Egypt's aid was never questioned as Israel's is. In fact it was never discussed by the propagandists. (Neither is Jordan's)
Bribe? It benefited the whole of Egypt. And let me tell you - the future Egypt (free, democratic) government, will probably insist in continuing getting US aid. But, bribe or not, Egypt's aid was never questioned as Israel's is. In fact it was never discussed by the propagandists. (Neither is Jordan's)
Ron Paul questioned aid to Egypt as well as aid to Israel. His son inherited his father's views on Israel and also wants to cut aid to Egypt.
Israel is not a Democracy. Hell, Israel doesn't even have a Constitution or a Bill of Rights. Israel will nuke itself before it allows any group other than Ashkenazi Jews to rule the country.
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With all the turmoil in the middle east, those who often question the relations between US and Israel finally got their answer. Not someone's opinion, but reality itself
Reality itself? Boy, this'll be good.
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1) Israel is the only stable pro western democracy in the middle east. And that is for 62 years. Many (myself included) question the financial aid to Israel. What about the billions poured on Egypt in the last 30 years? Didn't hear that discussed much.
I've heard it [foreign aid to Egypt] discussed almost constantly for a week and a half. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention. As for Israel being the only "stable pro-Western democracy in the Middle East"--people who use that lingo are generally the same ones calling to abort Egypt's attempt at democracy. That's not even to point out the obvious: that being pro-West and being either "stable" or "democratic" have no obvious connection.
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2) I am even more curious to see Egypt's (and other Arab states) freedom and democracy after the regime change. I hope they get a true democracy, but am skeptical. As before, only time will tell. True answers will emerge only from reality.
Some skepticism before Bush launched a bloodbath in Iraq, precisely in the name of democracy, would've been laudable. (A bloodbath which, incidentally, turned a regional counterweight to Iran into a Shia-ruled satellite of Iran.)
If they are a democracy, then how come they disenfranchise Israeli Arabs and do not let them have any political power? That sounds undemocratic.
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