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Old 02-17-2011, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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1. Spend more than we have.
2. Debt and deficit too high? Spend more than we have.
Even if we spent at 2001 levels, we would still have a deficit today. How did that come about?
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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I don't see those arguments made when the right wing idea is to credit republican congress at the time. I wonder why?

What was the deficit back in 2000 and in 2001? Please quote your source.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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Even if we spent at 2001 levels, we would still have a deficit today. How did that come about?
The 2001 level of spending exceeds current revenue.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:22 AM
 
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The 2001 level of spending exceeds current revenue.
Yes, why?
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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Why?
On one side there is spending and on the other, there is income. When spending is greater, there is a deficit. To remedy the situation, you have to either:
1. Cut spending
2. Increase revenue
or
3. Some combination of the two.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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I don't see those arguments made when the right wing idea is to credit republican congress at the time. I wonder why?

Because you are mixed up by the two differing terms:

a) Balanced Budget
b) Federal Debt (or Deficit)

The Republicans can take credit for the Balanced Budget.

No one can take credit for a Federal Debt Surplus that never existed.

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What was the deficit back in 2000 and in 2001? Please quote your source.
Do you want the Budget Deficit or the Total Federal Debt?

2000: Fed Debt: $5.674178 trillion Budget: $17.91 billion

2001: Fed Debt: $5.807463 trillion Budget: $133.29 billion

Souce: The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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National Debt Graph:

http://www.dancingsamurai.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/history.gif (broken link)


Note that it increased every year during the Clinton presidency. It didn't rise as much because Republicans forced him to balance the budget. But the mere fact that it did increase proves there was never such a thing as a Deficit Surplus.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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On one side there is spending and on the other, there is income. When spending is greater, there is a deficit. To remedy the situation, you have to either:
1. Cut spending
2. Increase revenue
or
3. Some combination of the two.
Agreed. But the point I'm making here uses spending in 2009 fixed at the same level as 2001. When we still see deficit show up, the problem is more than just spending alone. Should we not look into causes of that? To consider, how did THAT deficit come about? That we don't expect political leaders to debate and look for root causes is something that I'm concerned with. Most take their word, or of biased media and simply run around with it as if that is all there is to it.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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Note that it increased every year during the Clinton presidency. It didn't rise as much because Republicans forced him to balance the budget. But the mere fact that it did increase proves there was never such a thing as a Deficit Surplus.
You didn't answer my question. What was the deficit in 2000 and 2001? And as I expected, and said, earlier, you would be quick to credit republican congress for any improvement in rate of debt increase while Clinton was in office. What, then, happened with republican congress after Clinton left office? Never mind, I know your response to that as well.

Here is the kind of chart that I like to see
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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Agreed. But the point I'm making here uses spending in 2009 fixed at the same level as 2001. When we still see deficit show up, the problem is more than just spending alone. Should we not look into causes of that? To consider, how did THAT deficit come about? That we don't expect political leaders to debate and look for root causes is something that I'm concerned with. Most take their word, or of biased media and simply run around with it as if that is all there is to it.
I completly agree with you here. I don't trust politicians to examine the situation and give an honest assessment because of politics. The public allows them to get away with that. To really get a fair assessment, we need independent people, or at least a bipartisan group. I credit Obama with doing that with the debt commission. The insane part is that politicians act as though this group never met, and the public isn't outraged that their recommendations were never even taken seriously. That is an example of the politicians overtly playing politics with issue and the public buying into whatever the D's or R's tell them to think. I'm not saying all of the recommendations need to be implemented, but they're certainly worthy of debate by anyone who takes it seriously.

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