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Old 02-18-2011, 06:41 AM
 
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Why should any individual be allowed to breath. If no one were allowed to breath the world would be so much safer
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:44 AM
 
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Mexican drug cartels shopping in Ariz. Thanks, NRA, Congress and Arizona.

Mexico Drug Cartels Getting Weapons from US :: WRAL.com
Great! Buy American.

Perhaps it can close some of the trade imbalance created by Clinton and NAFTA.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The last statement would apply to first run M-16's much more than AK's. The Russian guns were "crude" but they always worked.

It is not our or our countries, responsibility to have anything to do with Mexican criminals in Mexico. We have enough to do with Mexican criminals in the US.

IIRC civilian possession of firearms is strictly illegal in Mexico. The elites and land owning aristocrats that run Mexico have reason to fear an armed population that is effectively politically and economically disenfranchised. The Drug Cartels run Mexico because they are the only game in town for the young and moneyless. They are a lawless bunch that is the law in much of the country. Mexico is overdue for another, this time real, revolution.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:50 AM
 
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Mexican drug cartels shopping in Ariz. Thanks, NRA, Congress and Arizona.

Mexico Drug Cartels Getting Weapons from US :: WRAL.com

maybe you should thank the federal goverment more than the groups you posted, courtesy of the batf.


ATF gunrunning probe strategy scrutinized after death of Border Patrol agent
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:51 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default FLOB'd again

"In Mexico, firearm and ammunition imports are limited by transfer control law 20 27 28 22 23 24 18"

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/mexico


I see Mexico has a flock of gun laws and is signed up for a slew of UN firearm control programs. All that legislation and treaties have done wonders to empty Mexico of illicit firearms.

With all those regs and eyes watching the gun trade in Mexico, the problem with armed drug runners and cartels has to be a myth.

Anyone who thinks its a good idea to burn someone alive in a barrel of gasoline or behead them is hardly going to pause to read any legislation that restricts their use of firearms. You think the problem might lie somewhere other than AZ gun shops?

Further in the link for Venezuela the cost of an AK is projected at 360$, much cheaper than in the US. Not clear if the Venezuelan AKs are fully auto or single action repros.

A previous poster mentioned the elephant in the room of the wide open gun trade where the rest of the world gets their guns enmass. And it is not the USA.

It is ludicrous to think drug cartels get the bulk of their weapons from the US with all the other worldwide sources headed by motivated sellers.

Many of the guns used by the Mexican bad guys are probably the guns the US supplied to the Mexican government. That would be consistent with the sketchy belief that most criminals steal their guns from law abiding citizens in the US.

Let's not forget the Military Reserve gun caches that are broken into here in the US and in foreign countries like Switzerland which was in the news for just such a robbery.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:52 AM
 
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I thought he was blaming the NRA and Arizona. Not sure how that = the USA, but whatever.
Federal law governs the sale of firearms from FFL's.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:54 AM
 
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False thread title? I still don't know why it doesn't concern you that someone can go into a store and buy 20 AK47s. Whether or not that someone is from Mexico or the USA.
really? ak47's? if you mean automatic firearms which are already tightly controlled by the feds and require batf approval 1st before you can even purchase them and then the feds can still inspect them anytime they wish. maybe you should look to the feds to see who is actually providing firearms to the drug cartels.

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Old 02-18-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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Why should any individual be able to buy 20 AK47s?


that is like why should anyone be allowed to buy 20 cars, 20 pairs of shoes, 20 newpapers.

because we can, and because it is a protected right.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:57 AM
 
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make the drugs that are currently illegal, legal and then tax them and you will see the cartels go away really fast.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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GASP! You mean it's ILLEGAL to own a gun in Mexico? And that doesn't stop them from having guns?
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