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Wisconsin ACT scores still aren't bad. In fact it beats all the states that do not allow collective bargaining hands down in both ACT and SAT. (SC, VA, NC, GA, TX) Even thought those states often have lower participation rates.
Once again, Wisconsin SAT scores are irrelevant. Only 5% of students take the test, you have to independently seek out that test in WI, only the best students will probably take it. This is true across the board, the top 24 states for the SAT all have low participation.
Every state you mentioned has low ACT participation, which was my original point that they focus on preparing students for the SAT exclusively. States where the focus is on the SAT are out of sync with the ACT and perform worse on it.
For the record, I have first hand experience in two of the SAT-centric states you mentioned. In high school I paid the extra fee to take the ACT. I will not say it was easier, but it was certainly different. One of the biggest factors was the focus on science and math with the ACT. Going to a school that prepares you for the SAT, there is extreme emphasis on vocabulary, grammar, writing, etc. Science and math were lacking since they are not heavy on the SAT, which puts students in SAT-centric states at a disadvantage.
Rather sad actually, because more often than not, SAT-centric states focus on teaching the test and not on a well rounded curriculum.
Less than 7% of Wisconsin students take the SAT. The ACT is much more popular, just like in most of the Midwest, with Wisconsin ranking 13th. Participation rate is 67% of students for the ACT.
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the ones who do take the SATs in Wisconsin do it on their own free will because they need to go to the top universities which require the SAT and prefer it over the SAT
VA, NC, SC, GA, and TX are the states that forbid collective bargaining for state employees. My point is that relative to the other 45 states those that forbid collective bargaining are all clustered near the bottom.
I also did not withold any information, the states you posted on ACT were sufficient...I simply added SAT stats...Also the 5 states that ban collective bargaining have low participation in ACT. My attempt at racial comparison was simply to answer how more traditionally non-white states compare to eachother.
You made very good points, and I appreciate your posting of the states which outlaw collective bargaining for public workers. None of these states are in the top ten of academic achievement in the US, such as it is....
You made very good points, and I appreciate your posting of the states which outlaw collective bargaining for public workers. None of these states are in the top ten of academic achievement in the US, such as it is....
But even the best in the US is low in global comparison.
The US is #36 in math..on par with Latvia.
You made very good points, and I appreciate your posting of the states which outlaw collective bargaining for public workers. None of these states are in the top ten of academic achievement in the US, such as it is....
The Federal Government prohibits collective bargaining too. What's your point?
There are a lot of failed charter schools that did just that.
Would you happen to know the percentage of failed charter schools vs. the number of failed public schools? I'm not arguing, just asking. I'm kind of curious.
Wouldn't you agree that HS graduation rates does have something to do with teacher ability/dedication/education/etc?
Agreed! Any job that pays near the poverty line is not going to attract the most talented people. That's not an opinion, that's the reality. If you want better teachers, you have to increase teacher salaries and base their pay on performance and provide financial incentives for high scores.
The current system provides no incentive for teachers to improve. All it does is create a system in which you can be lazy and do the bare minimum.
"...instead of chanting slogans in Madison, maybe it's time for Wisconsin teachers to take refresher lessons from their non-union counterparts in the Lone Star State." LOL
But even the best in the US is low in global comparison.
The US is #36 in math..on par with Latvia.
That's because in most countries, they ONLY teach math and science. If you were forced to take 4 different math courses each year since you were 7, you would do a lot better in math too. And if Japanese kids took 1 math class, 1 science class, 1 history, 1 art, 1 history, 1 physical education class, they would be lousy in math too.
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