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Old 02-22-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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Has anybody noticed how these revolutions have erupted only in Middle Eastern Countries that don't ally with the US? Egypt was definitely the least hostile of the group and a logical place to start. But since when is a revolution complete when only the president leaves and the military takes over? It would be like kicking the assigned administators of the Crown from the colonies in 1776 and letting the redcoats take over the country.

Next we observe the fall of Libya, where Gaddafi has been quiet for decades but always an antagonist of the US. Next Yemen, then even Iran?

Conspicously absent from the turmoil is Saudi Arabia, which is the ultimate land of "Do as I say, not as I do" authority. Saudi royalty is infamous for excess, crookedness, greed, immoralty and hardocore partying while demanding extreme piety from their subjects and being ruthless in their punishment of even the most minor misteps. If ever there was a place that needed a revolution, it is Saudi. Yet they are our allies simply because they have a lot of oil, which we depend on for our own survival.

We are in the middle of a vast unconventional war, and these supposed insurrections are too tactical in nature for me to believe they are random events. Could this be the opening salvo of the ultimate Middle Eastern war, fought by turning the people against their governments rather than with massive invasions and bombing campaigns?
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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They are NOT random events. They are by design and have been planned for a few years. The far left radicals have been over there rabble rousing and helping cause chaos. It is a well known fact that the left will try their damndest to shut you out from the truth.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:15 AM
 
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They are part of the Islamic turmoil being produced. In part from unsustainable high birth rates but also in Islamic nations where every man wants 3-4 wives or larger harems, you have to create wars and kill-offs of many men.

Islam is unnatural that way.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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Has anybody noticed how these revolutions have erupted only in Middle Eastern Countries that don't ally with the US?

No, I didn't notice that, because it isn't true.

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Egypt was definitely the least hostile of the group and a logical place to start. But since when is a revolution complete when only the president leaves and the military takes over? It would be like kicking the assigned administators of the Crown from the colonies in 1776 and letting the redcoats take over the country.
It started in Tunisia.
There has to be some interim government. In Egypt, everyone (except Mubarek) is fortunate that the military is in the position to step in and maintain stability. This is a good thing, in Egypt.

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Next we observe the fall of Libya, where Kadafi has been quiet for decades but always an antagonist of the US. Next Yemen, then even Iran?
Did you forget that we basically forgave him and left him alone for the last 20 years or so?

I hope you are right about Yemen and Iran, but Yemen worries me. In Iran, it is the theocrats who stand to lose power. In Yemen...not so much.

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Conspicously absent from the turmoil is Saudi Arabia, which is the ultimate kingdom of "Do as I say, not as I do". Saudi royalty is infamous for excess, crookedness, greed, immoralty and hardocore partying while demanding extreme piety from their subjects and being ruthless in their punishment of even the most minor misteps. If ever there was a place that needed a revolution, it is Saudi. Yet they are our allies simply because they have a lot of oil, which we depend on for our own survival.
The Saudis rely more on widepsread bribery than they do direct repression, so it's going to take a bit more motivation to topple their regime. But when the king dies (he's quite old), the Crown Prince is next, and he's pretty old. After that, there are more hardcore conservative family members waiting to take over...

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We are in the middle of a vast unconventional war, and these supposed insurrections are too tactical in nature for me to believe they are random events.
No we aren't, and this was bound to happen sooner or later. It has more to do with the current state of the global economy than anything else. Well fed people aren't likely riot.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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They are NOT random events. They are by design and have been planned for a few years. The far left radicals have been over there rabble rousing and helping cause chaos. It is a well known fact that the left will try their damndest to shut you out from the truth.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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They are NOT random events. They are by design and have been planned for a few years. The far left radicals have been over there rabble rousing and helping cause chaos. It is a well known fact that the left will try their damndest to shut you out from the truth.
You mean the evil Lefties are bringing Democracy to the ME, How Dare They!
ROTFLMAO!
Casper
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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Chango - Anderson Cooper/ CNN yesterday night was quoting an Arab leader implying something interesting in relation with being allied with the US. The events themselves are probably random, accelerated by web / Al Jazeera etc but the way they will play out will be different. CNN quoted the leader saying that the regimes that were friendly to US had riots, and probably because US had more influence on these friendlier dictators, was able to coax them into moving aside without too much bloodshed. The leader mentioned that Syria, Iran and Libya are going to be different since the regimes are anti-US and the US has much less influence there. These 3 countries are not likely to have leaders who will easily step aside without significant bloodshed.

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Old 02-22-2011, 09:39 AM
 
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Has anybody noticed how these revolutions have erupted only in Middle Eastern Countries that don't ally with the US? Egypt was definitely the least hostile of the group and a logical place to start.
Bahrain the home of the 5th Fleet and Central Command?!?!

The only country that is "hostile" to the U.S. is Libya.

What the Gulf States (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman etc) have that few others have, is money which they have used quite effectively to lavish upon their populations.
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Old 02-22-2011, 09:42 AM
 
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Old 02-22-2011, 09:43 AM
 
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They are NOT random events. They are by design and have been planned for a few years. The far left radicals have been over there rabble rousing and helping cause chaos. It is a well known fact that the left will try their damndest to shut you out from the truth.
Surely it is those far left radical commies in the Muslim Brotherhood who want to install an Islamic soviet socialist caliphate and who are being covertly aided by Obama and Clinton because they are both closet muslims who hate Israel.
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