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All government unions (local, state, and federal) should be abolished because they subvert the "will of the people." Instead of being representative of the will of the people, government currently represents the will of the unions. That needs to end, and the sooner the better.
What you do see is those people attempting to forceably remove power and money from the average American taxpayer.
Collective bargaining is a tool used to wield power against an employer; it is not a "right". The employer in this case of public employee unions is the average citizen taxpayer. The unions are fighting the taxpayers and withholding the basic service of childhood education, verily holing it hostage, while they are still under contract! Thus, a perfect illustration why public employees should not be unionized. They have no innate right to hold the taxpayers hostage while they are undercontract. Period.
Public employee unions also have no right to push taxes up, year after year, after year, without the taxpayers having a say. That is called taxation without representation.
In WI the legislature is trying to correct that measure by putting those benefit raises on a ballot infront of the employer forced to fund them. Why is this so threatening to the public servants (a.k.a. public employees)?
Obviously it is not a level playing field that public employee unions want but unequal power, slanted heavily in their favor through the financial influence and service interruption powers they take under collective bullying.
Another clear, to the heart of the matter, post ! Thx.
How do you advance "corporatism" when it comes to PUBLIC SERVICE??? The Wisconsin issue ONLY has to do with govt workers and the taxpayers. This has ZERO to do with the relationship between private sector workers and their employers.
You obviously do not understand the Koch's agenda and how it relates to politics and crushing the middle class while silencing their votes and voices ...
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What you do see is those people attempting to forceably remove power and money from the average American taxpayer.
Collective bargaining is a tool used to wield power against an employer; it is not a "right". The employer in this case of public employee unions is the average citizen taxpayer. The unions are fighting the taxpayers and withholding the basic service of childhood education, verily holing it hostage, while they are still under contract! Thus, a perfect illustration why public employees should not be unionized. They have no innate right to hold the taxpayers hostage while they are undercontract. Period.
Public employee unions also have no right to push taxes up, year after year, after year, without the taxpayers having a say. That is called taxation without representation.
In WI the legislature is trying to correct that measure by putting those benefit raises on a ballot infront of the employer forced to fund them. Why is this so threatening to the public servants (a.k.a. public employees)?
Obviously it is not a level playing field that public employee unions want but unequal power, slanted heavily in their favor through the financial influence and service interruption powers they take under collective bullying.
Let me see if I got this argument correct. My taxpayer is more important than your taxpayer. Is that the basic issue?
From day one Obama has tried hard to pit us against each other.
He learned it from his mentor Alinsky to get people to fight among each other, keep chaos going and you will have a weaker group of people.
Obama has shown us over and over again he wants to divide the people of America.
So far he has shown us what he is all about, the divide and conquer is his main job.
The great divider is failing and people have not notice this failure because of all of the other failures on his record.
Good thing we have some great Americans standing up against the divider Obama and not allowing him and his croonie unions to control everything under the sun.
Explain to me how the D's are doing the dividing? If you stand back and look from a neutral perspective, they actually seem pretty unified. The R's are the ones in a big fight with different ideological camps--the radical right wing social conservatives, the corporatists, the moderates, and the establishment pro military at any cost guys. The radical right wing and the corporatists are the ones who seem to be attacking the middle class, moderate R's, and unions. I don't think fighting back is "dividing the people." What are they supposed to do--just take it?
Fighting the facists that will opress you is a duty and a right. All workers, private or public, have a right to collective bargaining. Without unions, public and private, we would all be enslaved to fascist politicians or private monopolists.
Do you get to vote on the salaries of administrators who aren't part of the union? No. Your place at the table is through the people that you elect to represent you.
I grew up in a republican family with a teacher mom/farmer dad, and now my sibs are all teachers, farmers, or both. You're failing to recognize that not all union members are democrats--there are more republicans than you think. They're ticked off about the union busting too.
There are lots of people in this country, R's and D's alike--who know it's complete and total BS to blame unionized public workers for the mess these states are in--that mess was created by dumping the regulations on banks and wallstreet that allowed them to take excessive risk with our money (if you want to quote FDR--why don't you start there?) Those guys are getting huge bonuses for ruining this country, and the new batch of radical R's (not the more moderate ones) are trying to take it out on public workers. The unions are willing to work with the states to take concessions to get through the budget crisis. The argument that it impacts budget negotiations down the road is ridiculous--no agreements are made that don't have both sides signing off on them. This entire ploy is just an attempt to put a radical conservative agenda in place in this country that destroys the voice of middle class people. It looks like the American people are starting to fight back.
1. The unions are not the whole problem- only part of the problem
2. our problems were caused by reckless, irresponsible spending
3. As a result of #2, we must cut expenditures EVERYWHERE
4. The unions, like everyone else, must take a cut
5. If we do not cut, we will face certain insolvency and massive lay-offs
6. The middle class was destroyed by NAFTA, China most favored nation trade status, and the burden of massive socialist entitlements- blame the libs for your state of affairs.
7. Our "representatives" are "bargaining" with someone else's money, not their own. As a result, when they are playing with "house money", they tend to have little interest in fiscal responsibility. Witness our history over the last 50 years. We have no voice at the table.
1. The unions are not the whole problem- only part of the problem
2. our problems were caused by reckless, irresponsible spending
3. As a result of #2, we must cut expenditures EVERYWHERE
4. The unions, like everyone else, must take a cut
5. If we do not cut, we will face certain insolvency and massive lay-offs
6. The middle class was destroyed by NAFTA, China most favored nation trade status, and the burden of massive socialist entitlements- blame the libs for your state of affairs.
7. Our "representatives" are "bargaining" with someone else's money, not their own. As a result, when they are playing with "house money", they tend to have little interest in fiscal responsibility. Witness our history over the last 50 years. We have no voice at the table.
Ban state and federal unions.
Oh for heavens sake--you've given good arguments for budget cuts (which the unions have agreed to) but not for ending collective bargaining. Do you know who bargains for the state? It's run through the governors office, along with the heads of other departments. The same people making the decisions with a union contract are going to be making the decisions without one. My husband actually had that job--served on the state's side of contract negotiations under a republican governor. Nothing gets approved that both sides don't agree to, and a huge part of negotiations are on conditions of employment that have no financial impact.
This whole union busting scam has absolutely nothing to do with the budget, and you know it. I keep saying it--people aren't dumb. Once the unions agreed to the concessions, most people (except for the ones who have a ideological anti-union agenda, and they're trying to hide behind the budget issue) see right through this.
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