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Most of the suspects are 17-19. I would hardly call them men. Just dumb kids that will pay dearly for their actions. For the suspects over 21, I think castration is a fit punishment.
17-19 is old enough to know it's wrong to gang rape someone, much less an 11 year old! That excuse might work if they were 13 to 15 but, come on, do you really think someone 17-19 doesn't know it's wrong to: 1) take part in a violent act, and 2) have group sex with a child?
Why are the Nazi's not an example of heard mentality and the effect of the mob on the individuals thinking?
Please, enlighten us.
Can one hear mentality?
National Socialism, a collectivism form of government, is a poor example because this is an individual act and not a socialist political party. The same could be said about anarchists, communists, etc.
You'd be surprised what the heard can get you to do. You should really look at some of the research done on this subject.
The Nazi's are a perfect example. An entire country, and many of them knew what was happening to the Jews, most folks went along with it. There are a few shining examples, but its about 10% of the population who is really capable of making up their own minds and don't care what others say.
Most of them we consider insane, because they don't fit well into society.
Like I said, I'm not justifying what these boys did, I'm just trying to cast some light on the workings of their mental ability at the time. Its not always that they were sex crazed idiots that need to be castrated or killed.
You left out the communists in russia and china who together killed tens of millions of their fellow countrymen and women thru starvation and concentration camps.
National Socialism, a collectivism form of government, is a poor example because this is an individual act and not a socialist political party. The same could be said about anarchists, communists, etc.
The Nazi phenomena is a perfect example of how when a large group of people start doing something insane, how it can influence others to do the same thing in order to "belong" or not disrupt the group. It was simply on a massive scale.
How about the one where they took a group of college students, some who were friends, and made some inmates, and others correction officers. When one of the correction officers started being violent, they all did it. It quickly became an us vs. them mentality.
Like I said, just examples of how when the group does one thing, the individual usually follows. It may have been that two or three of these boys were really "in charge" and the rest simply went along. I'm not saying they don't need to be locked up, they do most definitely, but there is more there than "string them up"
The human brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25. Two or three years doesn't make that much of a difference, even less in todays world.
Humans are heard animals. Studies have been done showing that "gang" mentality can influence people into doing things that they know are wrong. I'll have to look it up, but they showed a group of 10 people a picture of a rectangle. Five of them were in on the study. Then they changed the picture to a triangle, and the five in on it swore it was still a rectangle. Four out of the other Five began to agree with the group, knowing they were seeing a triangle, but calling it a rectangle. One person did not.
This proves that when a group of people start doing something that is wrong, other people will agree with that, so as not to upset the heard.
We all know that rape is wrong, especially when someone is 11 years old like this. But there are other reasonings other than what people here are thinking. These boys should have to go through tough psychological examination, and hopefully they can go on to help them as they get older.
Of course they should be punished, but there is more to play here then the initial reaction by most of us.
"These boys"? "Help them as they get older"? This post reeks of psycho-babble.
Sorry, if you want to help them just make sure they stay contained in YOUR neighborhood.
I don't ever want them infesting mine. I don't even want to share the same planet with savages like these.
You'd be surprised what the heard can get you to do. You should really look at some of the research done on this subject.
The Nazi's are a perfect example. An entire country, and many of them knew what was happening to the Jews, most folks went along with it. There are a few shining examples, but its about 10% of the population who is really capable of making up their own minds and don't care what others say.
Most of them we consider insane, because they don't fit well into society.
Like I said, I'm not justifying what these boys did, I'm just trying to cast some light on the workings of their mental ability at the time. Its not always that they were sex crazed idiots that need to be castrated or killed.
It's because they are alienated, ignorant, angry, cannot see 5 minutes into the future, probably drunk and or stoned and they could do it. In an all too permissive society berift of functioning families and a functioning culture with norms that frown on such activities it's not so hard to understand.
There are a few shining examples, but its about 10% of the population who is really capable of making up their own minds and don't care what others say.
Most of them we consider insane, because they don't fit well into society.
I guess that's me.
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Like I said, I'm not justifying what these boys did, I'm just trying to cast some light on the workings of their mental ability at the time. Its not always that they were sex crazed idiots that need to be castrated or killed.
How does any man, much less a group of them, even contemplate such a vile act? They even recorded it on their cell phones and passed it around.
Needless to say their families are complaining about the arrests.
Un'f'ing-believable.
"The number of suspects charged in the sexual assault of an 11-year-old Cleveland Middle School girl — which was recorded on cell phone videos and circulated around the school district — grew Wednesday to 13.
"But it's not over yet. More arrests are expected," said Cleveland Police Capt. Darrel Broussard, who declined further comment.
Four men were arrested and charged last week. On Wednesday, nine more suspects were charged......
17-19 is old enough to know it's wrong to gang rape someone, much less an 11 year old! That excuse might work if they were 13 to 15 but, come on, do you really think someone 17-19 doesn't know it's wrong to: 1) take part in a violent act, and 2) have group sex with a child?
That's not what I'm saying. I just don't personally think they should recieve as stiff a penalty as grown men. The two oldest suspects were 25 and 27, I believe. A teenage boy shouldn't receive the same punishment as a man in his late twenties, in my opinion.
The Nazi phenomena is a perfect example of how when a large group of people start doing something insane, how it can influence others to do the same thing in order to "belong" or not disrupt the group. It was simply on a massive scale.
The National Socialists were a political party. This was a savage raping. One need not be compared to the other. Might as well call it the Clockwork Orange party.
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